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Old 12-18-2011, 02:02 PM   #481
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I have had the same problem since I bought my Jeep in Nov., 2005. I was told that if everyone with this problem writes to The U.S. Department of Transportation, NHTSA, Washington, D.C. 20590 that if they get enough people they will do a recall on the Death Wobble and would have no other choice but to find the problem anf fix it.

Please write to the NHTSA
If this is true, why hasnt it happened already? It seems like so many ppl have this problem for years.

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i had it to the extreme i replaced both axles and bought a new lift and tires it is finally gone

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Old 12-19-2011, 10:53 AM   #483
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Death Wobble

I seriously doubt the federal government would have much to say about this.
"Why?" you ask.
Death Wobble is caused by the normal wearing of parts. Until they can legislate that moving parts can no longer wear... we deal with it. I do not doubt some eighth-wit legislator would attempt this, but funding it would be the national debt times 3.




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If this is true, why hasnt it happened already? It seems like so many ppl have this problem for years.
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Its the nature of the beast.
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #485
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best of luck to anyone who has it. i just got rid of it, if you go mudding a lot check for mud build up in tires it can throw out the balance and cause death wobble at certain mph. mine was from 45-50. random, but still annoying.
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best of luck to anyone who has it. i just got rid of it, if you go mudding a lot check for mud build up in tires it can throw out the balance and cause death wobble at certain mph. mine was from 45-50. random, but still annoying.

Not to be nasty or to diss on your "fix", but you have not come onto a new way to repair death wobble. You just took the pressure off the trigger of your real problem friend.

If your steering and suspension are working properly, you cannot have death wobble. No amount of tire imbalance or wear can cause DW on its own. It's a myth that tires "cause" DW. If that were true, you could put worn or muddy tires on a brand new Jeep and it would have DW. Have you ever even heard of that?

Don't feel too bad about the diagnosis. A lot of shops and mechanics will tell you the same thing. They are all wrong! Too many people have been lead down the "your tires need to be balanced" or "your steering damper is bad" path only to find that there are more problems.

DW is a sinister problem that baffles many, if not most shops. It can be a dirty rotten thing to diagnose PROPERLY. You must have a better than good understanding of steering and suspension or you're pretty much defeated before you start.

For a pretty complete explanation of DW and its real causes and how to properly check for it, go to Death Wobble

There you will learn about how and why it happens. If you take the time to watch the videos on aligning a lifted Wrangler, you'll have a much better understanding of suspensions as well. The suspension they are showing is probably a much higher end than you may have, but the basics are all the same on any alignment. The end point is always the same. The tires all need to be going the same direction.

I would win a bet that you have one or more worn parts if we checked out your steering and suspension. You did not say if you are lifted or any other pertinent information, so I can't comment much further.

If you haven't experienced DW before the muddy tires, you will in the not too far off future. All it takes is just the right circumstance and your seat covers get REAL tight.

Let us know what you find. It's a good way to prove to others who read this forum that what is written here is right. From many experiences, I know it is.

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I'm getting an alignment and balance today after work hopfully that will fix it!
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New steering stabilizer 'fixed' mine. I wonder if my excessive body roll has something to do with it, shop said everything is fine but I'm not the first to hear that..... When pulling in or out of driveways my jeep rocks side to side A LOT......sway bars?
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^^ Have you read through this thread? A new stabilizer isn't a fix. If a bad stabilizer caused it I would most likely have DW, my stabilizer has 225k on it. You need to check other things.
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Did ya read my post? 'fixed'. my stabilizer had a recall on it. No shops around me give me any confidence that they understand the prob and I'm a total newb to non-racecar suspensions. So since a shop checked everything and said it was all fine I'm wondering if excessive side to side movement might be the cause and if so would the sway bars be the logical place to start? BTW I was being a smart ass, but playfully so....
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...and it is an effective band-aid, haven't had DW since, but i understand it isn't the(necessarily) the end of it...
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Track bar bushings , control arm bushings, wheel bearings even ball joints would cause side to side movement if loose or bad. Make sure everything is torqued down and all the bushings are in good shape. Sway bar would cause excessive body roll.
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I heard a new dual or even a quad will fix it. Oh wait thought we were talking about razors. LOL.
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I bought mine in 2004, brand new. I got the wobble within 20k on the original tires (Goodyear Wrangler). I replaced them and it goes away. Same thing happened about 30k later, did the same and it goes away. In my case it has been the tires every time, which is a good indicator, but also I'm wondering why a set of tires is only lasting this long. I do not take mine off road at all. Any suggestions or this something I have to live with?
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I bought mine in 2004, brand new. I got the wobble within 20k on the original tires (Goodyear Wrangler). I replaced them and it goes away. Same thing happened about 30k later, did the same and it goes away. In my case it has been the tires every time, which is a good indicator, but also I'm wondering why a set of tires is only lasting this long. I do not take mine off road at all. Any suggestions or this something I have to live with?
There's something not right....
Alignment, bad ball joint or a bad hub bearing assembly
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I got my alignment and balance, and sad to say it didn't help, next will be brakes and roters, if that doesn't work I'll get new tires. Guys at the shop said they've seen DW a number of times an new tires always fixed it
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New steering stabilizer 'fixed' mine. I wonder if my excessive body roll has something to do with it, shop said everything is fine but I'm not the first to hear that..... When pulling in or out of driveways my jeep rocks side to side A LOT......sway bars?
If you have read some of the above posts you should already KNOW that a steering damper (stabilizer) CANNOT and will NEVER cause a death wobble. It will not "fix" one either... though it might cover up the real reason for a while.

One of the main reasons for a steering damper is to reduce the shock from hitting any obstacle that would be transferred to the steering gear (sector). That is all it is meant to do. It will also reduce the shimmy set off by the same obstacles that can end up being a DW if parts of your steering and/or suspension are worn.

Whenever we have a vehicle with at DW problem, one of the first things we do to prove that we have repaired the problem is to either disconnect or remove the steering damper. If the DW is going to show, it will do it much easier if the damper is not there.

It has been said here a dozen times but once more apparently is necessary:

It your steering and suspension is working properly, you CANNOT and WILL NOT ever have DW, All the bad tires, imbalanced tires, and all the other guesses you read here are 100% wrong. The tires CAN be the pressure on the trigger, a bad alignment CAN be the pressure on the trigger. But if the steering joints and the suspension joints are all in good operating condition, you will never have a DW experience.

Go to Death Wobble
and read the truth about DW. You will find out why many shops are not qualified to "check out a steering and suspension". Simply put, they do not know what they are looking for and don't understand the steering and suspension well enough to do anything but replace parts until they either find the right one(s) by accident or you take it somewhere else.
Most "technicians" don't have a clue when it comes to diagnosing DW. It's a sad fact, but is true.

Go read the article and then watch the videos on aligning a Jeep with a lifted suspension. The lift they show is likely much higher end than what you have, but the basics of the alignment are all the exact same things. You will have a much better understanding of Jeep suspensions and steering than many technicians. You will also know about some things to look for that nearly none of them will know about.

No, we don't "know it all". But when you've worked on as many Jeeps with DW as we have, you learn a thing or two. We do KNOW how to repair DW on Jeeps. Please learn from people who know what they speak of and not from guys who aren't even third rate mechanics.

While you're on the Jeep parts, Jeep Accessories, parts Jeep, build your Jeep right here website, check out some of the trail stories in the "Along the Happy Trails" section. It will help give your attitude about your DW problem a new look.
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Thanks for the link, I have that problem with mine at around 55 mph. It doesnt do it at faster or slower speeds. guess I will be checking everything listed except the alignment since i recently had it done!! Thanks again
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The advice was free. If it only made you tired, it's likely you are short on understanding and we have no fix for that.
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What I'm saying is, you can have death wobble within a factory spec. The fact is I got it whithin 20k of the tires, which I'VE HAD THIS ARGUEMENT BEFORE! Car company's make a deal with manufacturers of tires at the lowest cost. Goodyear may make a great tire outside of the box for a replacement, but they will lower cost by as much as 70% to a company like Chrysler, GM, or Ford. The tires are not matched PERIOD. My Jeep is stock, from 04, I bought my Jeep from myself, as I was selling at the time, and an enthusiest. I had DW from 20K without any offroad, & I'm still driving my same Jeep today in 2012. Tires do matter, anyone who says otherwise is plain ol" dumb," My Jeep is not lifted, body nor suspension, & I had DW at 20K, your gonna tell me from the factory that in 04 there was a defect in suspension? Not a chance. Here's a big word for you that disbelieve.....DAIMLER....I'm done.
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The advice was free. If it only made you tired, it's likely you are short on understanding and we have no fix for that.
I'm not interested in turning this into a pissing match, I yawned because it is exhausting to constantly correct people who don't read posts. 'fixed' implies not fixed. I was pointing out how the shops that i have no confidence in considered this the conclusion. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings but didn't have energy to re-point out the fact that 'fixed' is different from fixed. When 2 posts before I had just explained the same thing to someone quick to spread knowledge but slow to read posts. Anyway I don't doubt that your heart was in the right place so this is me saying thank you....and save the judgement for our Maker.
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Sidenote: roach how did you buy your jeep 'from' yourself? . Hope you gave yourself a good price!

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So it looks like the DW is mainly attributed to the track arm bushing? Although I dont have any trouble with DW would it be a good idea then to change it out now, before any problems occur? do they make a neoprene bushing for this?
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Quadratec.com has whole sets in a variety of flavors but save the cash for when you do have a problem.....or use the cash for something sexy like more lights........or send it to me
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I had it very bad above 55mph, especially when i hit a seam. I did balanced and rotated y tires and now its gone.
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Is there a particular speed that this occurs at? My 05 tj seems to do it around 35-40mph..
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I recently had the DW issue on my 98 it has a 4 in skyjacker and 34inc tires i got them rotated balanced and a alignment and i have no sign of it anymore just to be sure im replacing the brushings. But for now this is a good fix from what i can tell.
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I was told they used a 22 milimeter bolt in the joints of the track bar, this makes a sloppy connection. They suggest you change out the bolt with a 3/4"x3" long bolt and nut to make it tighter and to take up the slop.
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Unfortunately Death Wobble is every jeepers nightmare and the worst part is that it happens all the time at some point. Especially if you have a lift done. There can be many things that cause it. You just have to check every detail. Adj. track bar, tires, etc.. If only it would be ONE thing, but you really do not know until you check each detail under the rig. I changed my tires balanced them and still DW.... cleaned out the bushings and still DW. I had to get an adjustable track bar and that solved my problem. If your tires are new I would go check the track bar first before dishing out money on tires that are still new. Thankfully my tires were worn out already and were due to be changed. So far no DW "knock on wood" however I sometimes get reminded of it when I get a small jitter on the steering wheel, but it is just regular jitter no DW. When you get DW you will feel like your car will split and fall apart. PS beware because sometimes in trying to locate the problem and fixing here and there you may MASK DW and within a few miles it can come back abruptly. But no big deal just be patient as frustrating as it may be to fix it. Hang in there fellow Jeepers.

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