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Old 03-03-2012, 01:48 PM   #541
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:28 PM   #542
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Hey everyone, i just purchased a 1997 TJ, iy has no wobble, shake, or shimmy of any kind, although it does have some play in the steering wheel,and kinda wants to float around until u catch up with it with steering wheel, any suggestions on taking the play out of the steering? Thanks! Gary K.

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Steering box may be loose or needs new tie rod ends
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Hey guys,
So my question probably on this thread somewhere but i don't feel like looking all over for it so ill just ask. I am trying to convince my Dad to let me buy some 17" Rubicon wheels with mud terrain tires on them. I own a 06' Jeep Unlimited so i know i would have to get the spacers in order for the tires to fit, but i am okay with that because it gives one hell of a good look. His only real problem with it is that he thinks the bigger tires will cause the ungodly "death wobble". From your guys experience and knowledge, would this be true? Will bigger wheels and tires without a lift increase the likelihood of the death wobble?
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In short no, wheels and tires do not cause death wobble, worn suspension parts do
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So my question probably on this thread somewhere but i don't feel like looking all over for it so ill just ask. I am trying to convince my Dad to let me buy some 17" Rubicon wheels with mud terrain tires on them. I own a 06' Jeep Unlimited so i know i would have to get the spacers in order for the tires to fit, but i am okay with that because it gives one hell of a good look. His only real problem with it is that he thinks the bigger tires will cause the ungodly "death wobble". From your guys experience and knowledge, would this be true? Will bigger wheels and tires without a lift increase the likelihood of the death wobble?
should not be an issue on a stock jeep. That being said they can sometimes be part of the over all problem. In other words if you don't have DW, and the tires and rim are to spec, then you should not expect to have issues if you mount them up.
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Be aware that while installing a new steering stabilzer may stop the symptoms of DW, doing so is NEVER the actual cure since DW is never caused by a defective/weak steerig stabilizer. Never ever!

DW can be caused by a whole lot of things or a combination of several things... imperfect tire balance, loose trackbar, bad ball joints, bad bushings in the trackbar, shocks, or control arms, improper toe-in, a bent wheel, bad unit-bearing hubs, and a few other things I can't think of right now. But NEVER a bad steering stabilizer. A Jeep with no front-end problems does not need a steering stabilizer to prevent DW.
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i talked to u the other day about the front end kinda floating around,u said it may be the toe-in, the front tires are out a little, i found the page about doing your on toe-in adjustments, pretty simple, the only thing is,my tie rod has no adjusting sleeve on it, it just has a clamp on each end??
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i talked to u the other day about the front end kinda floating around,u said it may be the toe-in, the front tires are out a little, i found the page about doing your on toe-in adjustments, pretty simple, the only thing is,my tie rod has no adjusting sleeve on it, it just has a clamp on each end??
Not Jerry but...
Undo the clamps on both ends and
Turn that whole bar that run across to adjust the toe
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Hey Kimball, share the link to adjust the toe. I just put a lift on and in need of an aliglment. Thanx.
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Hey Kimball, share the link to adjust the toe. I just put a lift on and in need of an aliglment. Thanx.
http://www.4x4xplor.com/alignment.html
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Thank-you Sir, It was a great help...
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I just replaced all my lower control arms from the stock ones because my death wobble was insane! I was fine the first day (yesterday) and today I was fine driving 80 on the highway with a 3" lift and getting off the ramp at about 35mph, hit a bump and BOOM, death wobble. It was different and tighter than the way it used to be (because of the new LCA's and bushings) but its still there. I don't have a steering stabilizer on right now to see if something else is causing the issue. Maybe bad ball joints or tie rod ends? Or an alignment since I haven't had one since i put on the new LCA's? anyone have any ideas?
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Did you check your track bar bushing and make sure everything is torqued properly
Do a dry steering test it will give you an idea if anything is loose
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I just replaced all my lower control arms from the stock ones because my death wobble was insane! I was fine the first day (yesterday) and today I was fine driving 80 on the highway with a 3" lift and getting off the ramp at about 35mph, hit a bump and BOOM, death wobble. It was different and tighter than the way it used to be (because of the new LCA's and bushings) but its still there. I don't have a steering stabilizer on right now to see if something else is causing the issue. Maybe bad ball joints or tie rod ends? Or an alignment since I haven't had one since i put on the new LCA's? anyone have any ideas?
To learn the best way to check for the cause(s) of your death wobble go to:
Death Wobble

The article covers the right way to find it and if you follow through with watching the videos from Teraflex on aligning your rig with a lift, you'll find that you need to adjust the caster to about -4 degrees (+ or - 1 degree) for a 3" to 4" lift. This helps your drive shaft angle as well as the DW.

Good luck and Happy Trails.
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Death Wobble cured on mine

Thanks to Jerry and an intelligent alignment shop ...

Factory front CA bolts did not have oblong head that would allow for camber adjust.
Replaced them and tightened it all up - - Viola... problem solved.
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:19 PM   #558
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Sounds like you might have some drive shaft universal issues. If it stops after liftiing the petal, then it should be drivetrain related.. I just cured mine afer changing the rear universals. Now I am after the DW.......
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Getting my tires balanced after I rotated em fixed my DW
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Great post man!! Thank you so much! My TJ gets starts to wobble when I slightly turn at about 25-35mph. Im going to rotate the tires and get them aligned this weekend. Hopefully it helps!
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Great post man!! Thank you so much! My TJ gets starts to wobble when I slightly turn at about 25-35mph. Im going to rotate the tires and get them aligned this weekend. Hopefully it helps!
Could it be some bump steer?
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Great post man!! Thank you so much! My TJ gets starts to wobble when I slightly turn at about 25-35mph. Im going to rotate the tires and get them aligned this weekend. Hopefully it helps!
If its a shimmy then I'd start with a tire balance and see what that does for ya. A tire balance killed my DW and it drives like a dream at all speeds now with no shimmy or wobbles whatsoever
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If its a shimmy then I'd start with a tire balance and see what that does for ya. A tire balance killed my DW and it drives like a dream at all speeds now with no shimmy or wobbles whatsoever
Perfect! Ill give that a try first! Youre probably right and its less expensive
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Perfect! Ill give that a try first! Youre probably right and its less expensive
Yeah it's way cheaper to get your tires balanced before you start throwing parts at it. Ask me how I know
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unfortunately there is no magic cure for it.. i say if it is worn replace it, but make sure you upgrade it. people are going to tell you its this or that but in alot of cases most people will have their own unique reason for having the dreaded death wobble.
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Great post man!! Thank you so much! My TJ gets starts to wobble when I slightly turn at about 25-35mph. Im going to rotate the tires and get them aligned this weekend. Hopefully it helps!
Hi AtlFalcon01,
Sorry to hear about your problem with DW. It sucks!
Rotating your tires MAY temporarily take the DW off your back ... but that is NOT the actual cause of the DW. Think about this a minute: If your steering and suspension are working correctly, why would an unbalanced tire or two make your whole rig shake like a wet dog? The answer is: The tires are only the pressure on the trigger that fires the DW. There has to be other things worn or broken that allow the tires to continue the harmonics they set-up to grow to the point of DW. If it were ONLY the tires, you would only be subjected to a serious vibration at most.
I recommend that you go to Death Wobble
and read about DW in depth. You will learn about the causes and how to diagnose DW "the right way". There are some other articles recommended in this thread that are good, but because of extensive experience with DW, I don't think they cover all the bases.
I don't see if your rig is lifted or not, but you'll also learn about the need to change the caster if it is lifted after you find and repair the "real problem" and take it to be aligned. Especially if your Jeep is lifted 3" to 4" or more, this little tidbit, if overlooked, can actually put you back into DW all over again. Unfortunately many alignment shops still don't know about this and they cause a lot of problems for their customers.
With the age of your Jeep, you are unfortunately likely to need a lot of work done to the steering system to totally be rid of DW. I hope that is not the case, but it may be likely.
Good luck and good Jeeping. Happy Trails.
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i paid for a steering stabilizer bar on my 2006 unlimited and it didnt help. Bad news : I paid a Jeep dealership $250 to do this. It didnt help my DW.

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