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Old 11-01-2012, 09:47 AM   #721
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Death wobble

Ok newb here.what exactly is death wobble. My steering is fairly loose. Is this death wobble? Or just loose steering. Sorry the break the post asking a question. I got a 6 inch lift with 35s

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Lose steering, if you have death wobble you will know it. You can see videos of it on YouTube to see what it looks like

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Old 11-12-2012, 08:55 PM   #723
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getting alignment soon! thx for the info!
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:42 PM   #724
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I rented a Jeep Wrangler about 6 years ago on the Big Island and was driving along when all of a sudden it felt like a wheel was coming off. I pulled over expecting to see a wheel hanging on by a thread but couldnt find anything wrong with it. Scared the hell out of me. This was on a stock 2006 TJ with about 20000 miles on it. I know the rentals there get the crap beat out of them because of all the good off road spots. I never thought much about it again until I buought my 98 and started doing some reseach. Now I know there is a name for it.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:16 PM   #725
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Resolved our wobble

Our 2000 TJ felt like it was coming apart when you'd hit 45 or so, and you couldn't do anything but take your foot off the gas and decelerate until it worked itself out. We tried alignments, new dampeners, wheel balancing etc. Finally took it to Southern Offroad here in Bham AL and replaced the control arm, which had worn bushings. We took the opportunity to put on correct control arms and tie end rods, etc for a jeep with a 3' lift. When a vehicle is lifted and the suspension pieces are not replaced, it might ride ok for awhile but it will eventually have some problems as the geometry of the suspension changes with the lift. Control arms and other pieces have to be longer as the distances change between components (like the belly plate below the transfer case has to be dropped).

I'm not a mechanic, but it sure made sense when this was explained to me. It's been 3 years since the changes and the jeep still tracks well.

Hope this helps someone correct this issue as I found the wobble to be extremely dangerous.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:01 PM   #726
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Read my print----- You have "fixed" NOTHING!!!
Your super $40 steering stabilizer is only temporarily covering your REAL problem.
If you actually read some of the above comments and learn something, you won't feel like such an expert any more. Read #364 specifically.
Quit patting yourself on the back and spreading BS like you know something the rest of us don't.
You're like the guys who fill a pot hole without any compaction. Just wait a while for your real results.
Why Im trying really hard NOT to post about my 09 Unlimiteds DW, but so enjoy comments such as these!

While I needed a bar AND something for the steering I do now believe after reading some of this thread the cause was indeed the Xterra that rolled into the back of my parked Jeep with the wheels turned. Loved how my General Grabbers looked at that angle but probably not a good idea to park that way...

The Jeep was fine before this. Within a week after the Xterra decided to ram the spare tire (breaking the bracket) the thing would shake like all hell was breaking loose over almost every bridge or hole on the hwy. Had to slow to 40 get back in action. I do hope my confidence in Kost Tire has put things in order, as I can change my tires like a pro & install speakers in the bar, I do need step by step instructions for anything else.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:44 PM   #727
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Hi y'all. New to forum, not new to DW and need help. I have an 06 Wrangler Sport with a 4in Procomp lift and 33in tires.

Started having perpetual alignment issues: steering wheel permanently cocked 10deg CW even while driving straight as an arrow. Continually returned to Tire Kingdom accusing them of being lazy morons (lol sorry, guys!).

Shortly thereafter, DW started to occur occasionally. I'd decelerate to remedie the problem but of course it always shook me up.

THEN NOW there's a CLUNK when I steer. Either direction. Slow or high speeds.

I HAVE had a new stabilizer installed... steering has improved, but still gets cockeyed periodically, like when coming to a stoplight or if the pavement doesn't seem quite perfectly flat. STILL CLUNKS on turns, some not all. Haven't had DW since new stabilizer was installed. Any thoughts on remedies for these perpetual problems? I'm concerned if I don't fix them soon DW will reoccur!

Thanks for any/all input!
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There is a how to find DW checklist in this thread somewhere. I would say start there. Honestly the list of things that could be causing your issue is long.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:56 PM   #729
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I did find this at the beginning of this thread:

Yucca-Man: Death Wobble

Is that what you're referring to?
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #730
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I had similar issues. Replacing my steering stabilizer did almost nothing. I replaced my front shocks and got new tires which fixed it. Not sure which of the two fixed the issue So check your shocks and tires.
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No its a check list... ill see if i can find it. Or someone here will tell u. This comes up so often that some people have it memorized.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:09 PM   #733
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Crap didnt work... just search his post.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:24 PM   #734
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There ya go.... thanks ww
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:14 PM   #737
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Smile reguarding DW there is a lot of good info

one thing I beleive is that DW is only promanate in the jeeps with independant suspention , i have been a jeep owner for many years as well as a auto tech for over thirty years and any time you alter the design of a vehicle to give the public or a group of indeviduals what they want it comes with its share of trade offs.In the case of the newer jeeps with independant suspention you are able to get more ground clerance at the cost of having to maintain your frontend and tires in top condition in order to have a more stable and safe ride. Where with the older leaf spring design you had much more stability in the proper front end geometry due to the positive alighnment of the axel on the springs thus meaning you could get away with a lil more wear on the smaller parts . Ive owned a willys , and a 78 CJ and a 91 wrangler my 91 wrangler has had every size tire you can imagine and dose not nor has it ever had a dampner on it it has a 4" lift and never had any steering problems at all it has 197,000 miles on it and I just handed it down to my son. I now have a 98tj it has a sky jacker 4"lift and a set of 1250 x33 tires and centerline 10 " wide wheels it has some wear in the artifical feelers in the stering box and has some wonder in it side to side but every thing else is tight and relativly new and i have not experinced DW but I can see the potential if you dont keep things tight so . keep your front end in good mech order and good tire maint and you should have no problems . the trade off for better ground clearence or better drivability is the trade you must weigh for your self. good fun to you all and remember Jeep is simple fun not the family daily driver .
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one thing I beleive is that DW is only promanate in the jeeps with independant suspention , i have been a jeep owner for many years as well as a auto tech for over thirty years and any time you alter the design of a vehicle to give the public or a group of indeviduals what they want it comes with its share of trade offs.In the case of the newer jeeps with independant suspention you are able to get more ground clerance at the cost of having to maintain your frontend and tires in top condition in order to have a more stable and safe ride. Where with the older leaf spring design you had much more stability in the proper front end geometry due to the positive alighnment of the axel on the springs thus meaning you could get away with a lil more wear on the smaller parts . Ive owned a willys , and a 78 CJ and a 91 wrangler my 91 wrangler has had every size tire you can imagine and dose not nor has it ever had a dampner on it it has a 4" lift and never had any steering problems at all it has 197,000 miles on it and I just handed it down to my son. I now have a 98tj it has a sky jacker 4"lift and a set of 1250 x33 tires and centerline 10 " wide wheels it has some wear in the artifical feelers in the stering box and has some wonder in it side to side but every thing else is tight and relativly new and i have not experinced DW but I can see the potential if you dont keep things tight so . keep your front end in good mech order and good tire maint and you should have no problems . the trade off for better ground clearence or better drivability is the trade you must weigh for your self. good fun to you all and remember Jeep is simple fun not the family daily driver .
When built right you can have clearance and drivability. And ifs your sacrificing clearance over straight axle, yes you have a higher center section but its only a foot or so wide then it drops. And in most ifs lifts you still have less clearance in the center than a straight axle running the same size tires, and its easier to get it hung on rocks.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:51 AM   #739
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So I'm trying my best not to be taken for a ride. Granted, I need a daily vehicle so I probably shouldn't even try and fix this thing. That being said I love my jeep!

SO I had my sway bar links done (one was broken), had my track bar adjusted (guy actually just replaced the ball joint I think though, may have left the other bushing alone.) relatively new tires, had a stabilizer put on. Everytime I did something (track bar ball joint most recent) the wobble ceased for a bit. It feels like it wants to come back around 40 MPH again.

Now I have a few theories these mechanics have thrown at me. Each of course sounds like mad $$$. One is that the locker needs to be replaced and that he hears a grinding. (I don't hear it) The other is that the slip place needs to be resurfaced and probably a new clutch.

The first they guy was talking in the 1200 range the 2nd the other guy was talking about in the 700 range. Can any of this be causing my wobble? I really want to get this fixed if I keep it or sell it. (No way I'll sell it for a decent amount with it shaking)
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Mud skipper sorry it took so long to get back to you , wife just had surgery been taking care of her and just figured out how to reply to you. You have done a lot to check for the cause of your shimmy but as a note a Jeep can be a daily driver how ever if i was going to have it as a daily driver I would have it as lil modifyed as possible from stock as this keeps front end geometry allowing for less maintenance and lower cost of opperation as possible not to mention the less use of liquid gold you know gasoline as its cost just gets higher and higher as stock tires and wheels will net you about 2 to 3 mpg. how ever that being said.Most any time you replace one ball joint it is good practice to at least replace upper and lower on the same side. as one will cause wear on the other as it is compensating for wear on the worn out one, in your case tho I would say your tires are causing your shimmy most probably balance or the wear from the milage on it from bad ball joint or even a tire having a seperation of the belts inside . as you indicate this occures at a specific speed it will probably return at a higher speed also. I would sugest a balance and rotation first before any futher repairs.
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Thanks mate, it's funny since mechanics come at me with a million different "reasons" I'll go for the balance and rotation. The tires are a little nobby though.
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I had death wobble start on my 03 after I switched the BFG 35" muds to 35" All Terrains from my other Jeep. Had the All Terrains re balanced before I put them on, since the 03 has a long arm 6", and thats when it all started. Never had a problem when the muds were on.. Weird.. I have an adjustable trac bar with a heim joint at the axle and regular bushing at the frame.. I had a friend move the steering wheel back and forth and you could see movement at the frame side.. I found the bolt had loosened a little bit, and torqued it down. Got rid of most of it, but new bushing on the way, and replacing the steering stablizer with gas ORV. I have found most problems are from the trac bar in some way, and its easy to see if someone moves the steeing while you watch.
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I had similar issues. Replacing my steering stabilizer did almost nothing. I replaced my front shocks and got new tires which fixed it. Not sure which of the two fixed the issue So check your shocks and tires.

my bet was it was your tires, they were out of balance.....
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:07 AM   #745
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I have recently bought a 2005 lj, it has a 5.5 rubicon express long arm, 35" tires and everything upgraded from axles to trackbars and well everything! I have had it looked at by several mechanics I know who knows what there talking about and they all said everything was done the right way on my jeep, no half ass work and everything was considered and fixed when lifting this jeep. It drives on the highway perfect, my issue comes from being in around 3rd gear and hitting ruts or bumps in the road, then I get the wobble and it goes away if I get off the gas and slow to almost a stop then feel for it being gone then go again. I have inspected everything, just had it balanced and aligned and still has the issue. It feels like the front just viciously rocks back and forth when it starts. Any similar problems? thanks
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I have recently bought a 2005 lj, it has a 5.5 rubicon express long arm, 35" tires and everything upgraded from axles to trackbars and well everything! I have had it looked at by several mechanics I know who knows what there talking about and they all said everything was done the right way on my jeep, no half ass work and everything was considered and fixed when lifting this jeep. It drives on the highway perfect, my issue comes from being in around 3rd gear and hitting ruts or bumps in the road, then I get the wobble and it goes away if I get off the gas and slow to almost a stop then feel for it being gone then go again. I have inspected everything, just had it balanced and aligned and still has the issue. It feels like the front just viciously rocks back and forth when it starts. Any similar problems? thanks
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I have a 2005 lj. When I had the stock 30in tires on it DW started at about 30k miles. I then bought a set of mickey thompson baja claws 31/10.50/15 and no DW, for about 8,000 mi. Then out of the blue DW between 50-55 mph. I rotated the tires but did no good. Plus 8,000 miles on the baja had just about wore the front tires out. I then bought a cheap tire 31in nexen roadian at II. Haven't been off road with them yet but they are not very aggresive looking. It did stop the DW. I was tolf wrangler are very prone to get the DW when any type of wear pattern starts on tires so you must rotate often.
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Sooo, I have an '01 Sahara, and for a while I had gradually worsening DW... After about a month of it, it began having flighty steering, probably unrelated, but no clue.

This week, she has been driven pretty aggressively... ok, very aggressively. I've cleaned it 4 times thinking that I would keep it clean for a while, and usually don't make it 24 hours without getting more mud all over it. After discussing DW with a buddy who is looking to purchase a Jeep soon, and having my brother man the steering wheel while I look for play, now I can't make it encounter any of those issues.

The DW would ONLY happen at 54-56mph... any faster or slower and it was nonexistent.
The "flighty" steering made it seem difficult to keep it in a straight line, but wasn't horrible, just inconvenient.

I am curious if there may have been mud stuck in a rotor or somewhere that has been removed from all the cleaning. Would that cause the same symptoms? I would think it would cause it to wobble at any speed if it was a balance issue.

...but why the sudden disappearance of the problem? Definitely not a complaint, but I am baffled.
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Could of been the mud like you were saying. I had the same issue as you. High speed DW. Mine was due to out of round tires. So i dont think that it would be a strech to believe that mud could mimic it and that would explain why washing could of solved it.
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This DW I have never heard of till now. I will be purchasing a jeep in a couple weeks and would like to avoid buying one with this problem. Will a simple highway test drive reveal this issue if the jeep has it.

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