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Old 02-02-2013, 10:43 PM   #781
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DW not fun... I got dw in my 97 tj and thought it was an alignment issue. Took it to an off road center for an alignment. They checked it out and said this, needs ball joints on 1 side, all the tie rods were wasted, track bar bushing and the heim joint wasted, both upper stock control arm bushings wasted, steering dampner wasted and shocks. I replaced all of that myself and have not had dw at any speed since. After replacing all that, it was like a brand new Jeep and fun to drive again... If you can wrench, you'll save some cash.

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Just came back to the forum after picking up a 1997 TJ and I'm counting my blessings. At 157,000 miles this TJ runs and rides great. I've survived the DW with two XJs and will never buy another one. I was not aware of the TJs or any other the other "real" jeeps having this problem. I hope the DW stays away from this one.

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Just came back to the forum after picking up a 1997 TJ and I'm counting my blessings. At 157,000 miles this TJ runs and rides great. I've survived the DW with two XJs and will never buy another one. I was not aware of the TJs or any other the other "real" jeeps having this problem. I hope the DW stays away from this one.
The front end design is nearly identical to the XJ and requires the same as the maintenance to avoid--or diagnose and fix--Death Wobble.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:16 PM   #784
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Just came back to the forum after picking up a 1997 TJ and I'm counting my blessings. At 157,000 miles this TJ runs and rides great. I've survived the DW with two XJs and will never buy another one. I was not aware of the TJs or any other the other "real" jeeps having this problem. I hope the DW stays away from this one.
Exactly what planman said. Did you notice that you were in the TJ portion of the website under a thread titled "death wobble?"
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:27 PM   #785
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I finally fixed mine!! Ball joints, tie rod ends and badly balanced tires!! after 6 months of different things this finally cured it !!!
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:06 PM   #786
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Just bought an 06 instead of an 04, which I think had a big problem due to a lift. This one has a 2in suspension lift. Who or how do I get it checked to make sure everything is ok? There is a vibration btwn 40 & 50. And I notice the swaying more at lower speeds. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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If you dont have the ability to do it yourself. Start at an alignment shop. They will check alot of the common wear parts that can attribute to it. If they dont find it you may want to find a 4x4 shop. Unless you live in central fl i have no clue who that might be....
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:58 AM   #788
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DW just raised its ugly head today on the on ramp to the freeway at about 55mph on my way to work. I did a quick "wiggle check" for the usual suspects with no obvious culprits. I can't get under the vehicle until I get home so I guess I'll stay off the freeway until I can get it checked out. I think my first stop will be the tire shop to get the tires balanced.
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It just occurred to me that my sway bar link bushings are worn out. The passenger side basically has no bushing while the driver side is still intact (read worn but still there with no real wabble).

Could this be the cause of the problem?
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It just occurred to me that my sway bar link bushings are worn out. The passenger side basically has no bushing while the driver side is still intact (read worn but still there with no real wabble).

Could this be the cause of the problem?
Not sure if that would cause full on dw, but if those are worn, good chance something else is also worn that might be causing it. I did my front and rear sb bushings (as well as bushings for the links, they came with) and it helped with my wandering and general handling issues.
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Not sure if that would cause full on dw, but if those are worn, good chance something else is also worn that might be causing it. I did my front and rear sb bushings (as well as bushings for the links, they came with) and it helped with my wandering and general handling issues.
I looked around and no other bushings seemed worn. I'll take a closer look when I change out the links this weekend.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:49 AM   #792
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New to Jeeps. I have a 98 TJ with a 4" lift, 33x12.5, and only the lower short arms have been changed out; uppers are stock. All this was already on the Jeep when I bought it.

I was wheeling before winter and picked up a nasty pop noise on take off; and the beginnings of a DW. I changed the bushings on the upper arms, which are stock, and changed the stabilizer. I did not change the lower bushings because I don't know the make of the arms.

I went for a short wheel this past weekend, to where I torqued on the suspension pretty good when I was in a large creek bed and it suddenly dropped off. There was some pretty good pops, to which I thought I might have messed up an axle, but I had no more issues the rest of the 4-wheel day; pulled great with no other noises. Yet, the next day I came close to a full on DW when coming to a stop. This is the only time it's happened since this last trip and the only time it's happened since changing the upper bushings and stabilizer. I fear the stabilizer may have just covered a problem.

So, tie rods and steering arms are good. There's a fraction of play in drivers ball joint while passenger side is tight.

Do all arm bushings fit all makes of arms? I thinking of maybe getting a bushing kit then also a set of upper arms. Looking for thoughts from those who have done this more.

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I get the DW only at 35 MPH, never faster, never slower. Anyone heard of that before? and not everytime, only on specific uneven roads it seems...
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New to Jeeps. I have a 98 TJ with a 4" lift, 33x12.5, and only the lower short arms have been changed out; uppers are stock. All this was already on the Jeep when I bought it.

I was wheeling before winter and picked up a nasty pop noise on take off; and the beginnings of a DW. I changed the bushings on the upper arms, which are stock, and changed the stabilizer. I did not change the lower bushings because I don't know the make of the arms.

I went for a short wheel this past weekend, to where I torqued on the suspension pretty good when I was in a large creek bed and it suddenly dropped off. There was some pretty good pops, to which I thought I might have messed up an axle, but I had no more issues the rest of the 4-wheel day; pulled great with no other noises. Yet, the next day I came close to a full on DW when coming to a stop. This is the only time it's happened since this last trip and the only time it's happened since changing the upper bushings and stabilizer. I fear the stabilizer may have just covered a problem.

So, tie rods and steering arms are good. There's a fraction of play in drivers ball joint while passenger side is tight.

Do all arm bushings fit all makes of arms? I thinking of maybe getting a bushing kit then also a set of upper arms. Looking for thoughts from those who have done this more.

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Check your track bar bushing on the axle side. Also you need to replace that tie rod end. Do you have a dropped pitman arm? Dropped trackbar mount? Or both?
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I get the DW only at 35 MPH, never faster, never slower. Anyone heard of that before? and not everytime, only on specific uneven roads it seems...
Are your wheels out of balance or egg shaped? You might also have too much air in your tires, causing them to have a high spot in the middle, which makes it easier for them to grab at the lines and rough patches in the pavement.

Also your caster might be out
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Check your track bar bushing on the axle side. Also you need to replace that tie rod end. Do you have a dropped pitman arm? Dropped trackbar mount? Or both?
Track bar and bushings are new. Tie rod ends have no play. I have a dropped pitman arm and not a dropped track bar mount.

I just started noticing a new symptom. I'm getting a binding I've never noticed before. It's magnified when in 4 wheel drive and prevents me from turning the wheel to the left more than maybe 20 degrees at times. The power steering pump is in a strain at this point and the wheel feels like its at its stopping point; at its far left turning point. I only noticed this in four wheel drive today. In two wheel drive it turns sharp but when backing up it seems a bit bound and the tires are chirping when rolling. I have lockout hubs which are in the free wheel position when this is happening and plenty of Fluor in the pump. I'm new to the area also so will have to find someone to steer while I look at the components.
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Check your track bar bushing on the axle side. Also you need to replace that tie rod end. Do you have a dropped pitman arm? Dropped trackbar mount? Or both?
I read a forum with step by step instructions on what to check. I double checked the traction bar and found that it was loose. I torqued it to 55lbs and torqued all my upper and lower control arms to specs. In the process, I found that the axle bolt for the lower control arm, on the drivers side, was froze but loose enough to turn. I torqued it off, cleaned the bolt and oiled it; then reinstalled and tried to torque. I may end up having to replace that bolt as I had to torque to 130lbs to keep it from moving (spec is only 85lbs). I took it for a test drive and it seemed more solid; yet the DW was just the beginnings and were very sporadic. I still have a binding issue. I put it in four wheel drive and it turned fine. I was turning it back and forth inching it forward and found that its at a certain point, when sitting almost still. It makes me think of the axle joint except I discovered this today when I put it in four wheel drive sitting at a traffic light, getting ready to jump off road and climb a steep wet hill just after the turn, and when I attempted to turn through the intersection, it did not want to turn.

Thanks for your help.
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I read a forum with step by step instructions on what to check. I double checked the traction bar and found that it was loose. I torqued it to 55lbs and torqued all my upper and lower control arms to specs. In the process, I found that the axle bolt for the lower control arm, on the drivers side, was froze but loose enough to turn. I torqued it off, cleaned the bolt and oiled it; then reinstalled and tried to torque. I may end up having to replace that bolt as I had to torque to 130lbs to keep it from moving (spec is only 85lbs). I took it for a test drive and it seemed more solid; yet the DW was just the beginnings and were very sporadic. I still have a binding issue. I put it in four wheel drive and it turned fine. I was turning it back and forth inching it forward and found that its at a certain point, when sitting almost still. It makes me think of the axle joint except I discovered this today when I put it in four wheel drive sitting at a traffic light, getting ready to jump off road and climb a steep wet hill just after the turn, and when I attempted to turn through the intersection, it did not want to turn.

Thanks for your help.
After sleeping on it, I'm wondering if the track bar could be flexing under the pressure of having the front locked in; causing my steering issue.
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After sleeping on it, I'm wondering if the track bar could be flexing under the pressure of having the front locked in; causing my steering issue.
Check the rubber bushing on the axle side of the trackbar
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Track bar and bushings are new. Tie rod ends have no play. I have a dropped pitman arm and not a dropped track bar mount.
This will cause you problems since the drag link and the trackbar arent at the same angle. Replace the drop pitman with a stock one
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So my 05 lj just hit 91k miles and I'm experiencing a shaking in the front end. I couldn't figure it out so I took it to a trusted shop and just within the first inspection of it they said all four front ball joints have play, They didn't look any further so now since I have an extended warranty I'm going to take it in to see what they say and to see if it will be covered. They've been pretty good in the past with warranty stuff. I have 33" tires with a BB 2" lift and all new shocks. When I first installed everything I didn't have any issues until now. I forgot to add it seems to happen at around 45-50-55 mph.
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I did an alignment this weekend and it was like night and day and it was pretty easy to do. I still have a small wobble if I can call it that but I know my tires need balancing.
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I fixed mine by doing this (see video) this is a quick fun fix ;)

Quick FIX!!!

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Old 03-31-2013, 12:48 PM   #804
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hey guys does anybody know why I would only experience DW when I hit a bump while I'm driving on a slight left curve at 45-50mph? It doesn't happen at any other time then that! If I'm driving straight or on a slight right curve and hit a bump it's completely fine but for some reason DW kicks in only when the steering wheel is slightly turning left.
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Track Bar bushing flex ???

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So the Wife's 05 X model 70,000 miles, no lift stock size tires etc. Had DW @ 30,000 miles replaced the damper before I spent hours here getting edjumacated

Reoccurred about 60,000 miles dug in and found slop in the Track Bar axle end. Replaced the Track Bar and used a 7/16 inch bolt verses a 14 mm or whatever was in there. All good for a while.

Showed up again in the last few weeks. I have pushed and pulled and lifted and yanked on everything under there. I found one bad tie Rod (the one to the pitman arm) and replaced that. Still there. Under it again today and tore apart the Track bar to check the bolt hole and bracket. No elongation and the bracket looks fine. Awful thin steel but no cracks or flex. The 7/16 bolt fits nicely with almost zero slop. Checked the bolt in the bushing sleeve and it is a very nice fit no slop. Reassemble everything, torque it up tight and put the Wife on the wheel moving it back and forth and there is flex in the bushing itself. It's rubber so there is going to be some, I do not have the tools to measure it but I would guess in the .030 range. There is no clunking or freeplay but there is flex in the rubber bushing.

So I presume there has to be some flex there?

Should I just replace the Bar? This one was from Napa and I suspect was a mid grade part. I think I paid about 80 for it. It has only has 10,000 miles on it over the last 18 months since installed.

Should I be looking for an aftermarket with a poly or stiffer bushing?? If so any specific recommendations?? remember Stock no lift.

Thanks Guys!!

Oh I inspected the entire front end using the You Tube Vids by Planman. Very helpful!!
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Got the DW a few days ago and fixing what I knew was wrong, ( bushings, wheel balance and wheel quality, and one ball joint), fixed the problem. Although it will never be cured, it fixed it for now. Going to keep a log of all that has been done including part numbers and mileage until it happens again. Then maybe I will see some recurring theme.
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Unhappy which trck bar to get??

Ok here's another one for y'all lol. After hours of thread cruising you tubing and jeep examining I've got this all pretty well drilled into my brain but still have a question lol. So here we go (bear with me) I have a 2003 tj with a 4" tera flex and 1" body lift with 31" a/t's. after having someone spin the wheel for me it seemed everything was tight until I noticed the rubber (bushing?) at the top end of the track bar was completely gone. OBVIOUSLY a problem! After replacing the t bar and taking it in for an alignment I'll still check everything again and probably replace the stabilizer just because. Now it seems the t bar is stock which through research shouldn't be possible right? and this is my daily driver as well as only off road toy so would a adjustable or fixed t bar be better in any way? pro's con's? Im also on a tight budget currently as well. Plus I would like to thank everyone for their helpfull input on the infamous dw lol. It helps a ton!

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I dont know if this is really orthodox, but i had the DW for about a month and a half till one day i was out mudding in a construction site and ran into a ditch, bent my bumper a bit and took like 3 hours to get out, but afterwards i never noticed the wobble again.
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Installing Rubicon Express adjustable control arms rear RE3715 and RE3783 today. Alignment shop told me my rear end was out. . Replaced the ball joints, Track bar ends, balance the tires. (BFG AT 12.5 x 33 x 15), new shocks, new stabilizer, Alignment schedule for May 8. Tow behind motorhome. Now will try a dolly. Was told to try different brand of tire. I'll let you know.
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I had dw before I added Rubicon Express lift. I replaced track bar and stabilizer and problem went away. Bushing on track bar was shot. I made sure this was resolved before I added a lift. Have heard if u have dw before that lifting will possible make it worse

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