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Old 05-15-2013, 10:37 AM   #811
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Hi there, just wondering if anyone could push me in the right direction now... i have an 06 tj that i bought last year.. about 6 months ago i started to notice a slight shudder through the car when i went over some bridges.. but we had to put some new springs and shocks on the car. we have lifted the car 2 inches, and thats where the DEATH shake happened. took it in for a wheel allignment, and brought a new steering dampener. after that it went away for about a month but it started again. but not as bad. so after that i took it in and got a wheel balance, then found out that the bolt that holds the track bar to the diff is too small. so we put the right size bolt in ( the bushing in the track bar was fine) then took it in for a wheel rotation.. but at 80km it still shook. so ive bought some new wrangler brand tyres.. everything we have done so far as lessened the "shake" .. so now when i drive 100k's i can feel a slight shudder in the steering.. but if i go over any gullies it starts to shake when i get over them... so my question to all you jeepster's is where do you think i should go from here??? cause i know we should start looking at bushings and that but we just dont know where to start in the front.. so any help would be great because i do love my car so im just over being scared of it at the moment..

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Hi there, just wondering if anyone could push me in the right direction now... i have an 06 tj that i bought last year.. about 6 months ago i started to notice a slight shudder through the car when i went over some bridges.. but we had to put some new springs and shocks on the car. we have lifted the car 2 inches, and thats where the DEATH shake happened. took it in for a wheel allignment, and brought a new steering dampener. after that it went away for about a month but it started again. but not as bad. so after that i took it in and got a wheel balance, then found out that the bolt that holds the track bar to the diff is too small. so we put the right size bolt in ( the bushing in the track bar was fine) then took it in for a wheel rotation.. but at 80km it still shook. so ive bought some new wrangler brand tyres.. everything we have done so far as lessened the "shake" .. so now when i drive 100k's i can feel a slight shudder in the steering.. but if i go over any gullies it starts to shake when i get over them... so my question to all you jeepster's is where do you think i should go from here??? cause i know we should start looking at bushings and that but we just dont know where to start in the front.. so any help would be great because i do love my car so im just over being scared of it at the moment..

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Old 05-19-2013, 04:00 PM   #813
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I had the DW recently. Last time I had it (same Jeep/a few years back) I replaced the tires and damper and all was good. A few months ago a smacked into something pretty hard and knocked the front end out of balance. I think I also damaged my damper so I got the front end squared away and put another stabilizer on it. It's better but at 53-58 mph it acts like it wants to but just shimmy's some. My tires got worn down after I messed up the front end so I guess my next investment is now tires and hopefully that will resolve the issue.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:13 PM   #814
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I have to replace my rear track bar. It doesn't wobble to the point I would call it a "death wobble", but it is annoying.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:38 PM   #815
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Okay, folks. Here's a neat one. I got my '99 on March 25th of this year. Noticed a little squeak in the brakes about 3 weeks later. No big deal. Used cars often have MUCH bigger things that have been neglected. Got some pads, swapped 'em out, and the next time I hit 55, BOOM! Death wobble! I did some research, wound up watching the planman videos on YouTube, ran all the diagnostic checks he reccomended, and have arrived at the culprit being the driver's side tie rod end. It's the first time in all of my brake changes that I've made a vehicle less safe by putting new brakes on it. Has anybody else run into anything similar? If I'm going to swap the DS end, should I go ahead and swap both, or should I do it a piece at a time to actually be certain whether the problem has been fixed from its source rather than masked?
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:18 PM   #816
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...and the audience waited in suspense, for they knew that if the death wobble went unchecked, Jeeps everywhere would shake and shudder so violently that, with all of their collective wobbles, they would shake the very surface of the earth. Shake it as if their world were a snow globe in the hands of a bratty toddler...
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:29 PM   #817
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I had some major issues in a 95 YJ I had a few years ago, it had mish mash thrown together lift kit, much of it welded and home made by the prior owner, he did a good job, but being that its almost 20 years old and many of the front end parts were still stock, I considered replacing it all and starting fresh, but that would have cost more than she was worth total. I ended up selling it as is and helping the next owner fix it up, he apparently had deep pockets.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:53 PM   #818
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hey guys, been havin this problem ALOT lately, like EVERY time i would move in the thing. I read the very first post about yuccamas link and i found the solution. for me, it would start and the only way to stop it was stopping almost completely. Went and got all 4 tires balanced and it solved the problem, all for $54 even. so keep that in mind to anyone who has this problem! start cheap! info on my jeep: 4 inch RC lift, 33' tires, skyjacker steerin stablilizer (helps alot >.>)
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #819
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hey guys, been havin this problem ALOT lately, like EVERY time i would move in the thing. I read the very first post about yuccamas link and i found the solution. for me, it would start and the only way to stop it was stopping almost completely. Went and got all 4 tires balanced and it solved the problem, all for $54 even. so keep that in mind to anyone who has this problem! start cheap! info on my jeep: 4 inch RC lift, 33' tires, skyjacker steerin stablilizer (helps alot >.>)
It is not fixed and will be back after the steering stabilizer can no longer mask the source(s) of the problem.

Unbalanced tires might have been a trigger, but they don't require a complete stop to cease wobbles and shimmies.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:42 PM   #820
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I got some SERIOUS death wobble today on the expressway. I was doing about 70, hit a bump and the tires where squealing and the shaking was bad. Cars behind me were slowing down and changing lanes because they probably thought I was about to crash I took the next exit, slowed to 40mph for it to stop, then got back on.

So as soon as I got to work, I ordered an aftermarket stabilizer and adjustable track bar. I hope it fixes it.

I hardly ever get DW on regular roads (40mph - 50mph), but on the highway it can be bad if I hit bumps at 60+
EXACTLY what happened to me. I did the same as you, hahaha....I went home and ordered an adjustable trackbar and steering stabilizer (along with new quick disco sway links) immediately! Hope it fixes it!
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:32 PM   #821
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Had read about DW years ago, and had never had it, until yesterday. I have noticed for a while that when I am turning just slightly, in either direction, there is a vibration I can feel through the steering wheel. I had the tires rotated, and balanced, and it seem to get a little better. Yesterday, doing about 40 mph, I hit a bump and it seemed the passenger side tired started it, and the drivers side followed suit, and boom, death wobble. I started slowing, cars behind went around me, and when I got to about 5 mph it stopped. I slowly accelerated and made it through the day.

Today on the way to work, at about 45 mph, doing just a slight bend in the road, boom, DW again. I swear I could duplicate it now (except the videos discourage that). Trying to find someplace in Houston to go where they are familiar with this ... have printed out the list of things to check.

My co-workers are poo-pooing me, must just be a vibration from badly balanced tires. Unless you have felt DW, I think you don't quite understand the severity. This is no mere vibration!
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:52 AM   #822
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I had the same DW situation. Rebalancing and rotating the tires didn't help. I recently had an OME SS and Moog TB installed and the DW gone. The alignment is going to be done this weekend. I've had three series of DW, and replacing the SS and TB got rid of it. The first time the Jeep only had 19k miles, and it happened right after a tire rotation. I think the tires might be the trigger. It seems the DW occurs from hitting a rut, pothole, or dip in the road.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:56 PM   #823
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My 200 TJ lower control arms are shot. I am upgrading to a 2.5 RK lift. The death wabble is quite amazing right now! Do you guys think this will improve things? Any similar experiences??
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:53 PM   #824
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we have a 1999 wrangler, never ever experienced DW until this last week, just removed 2" BB and installed a TeraFlex 3" lift, and new shocks. Have check all steering linkage, ball joints, installed a HD steering stabilizer and still have issue.
Now looking at adjustable track bar, if that doesnt fix. Then as other have posted, great way to talk the wife into a long arm upgrade!!!!
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:06 PM   #825
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Related to Death Wobble- how often should i have my tires balanced?

I was experiencing DW. Following the excellent advice on this forum I narrowed it down to my unbalanced, almost bald tires as the trigger, and a worn track bar axle-end bushing allowing it to develop to full-on DW.

With a new bushing and tires it ran perfectly. 2000 miles later i am noticing (or imagining!) a very, very slight shimmy around 50mph- the same speed that DW always started previously. I obviously don't want this to deteriorate further.

Do you think the tires need rebalancing, or were they just not perfectly balance at installation?

Or is this symptomatic of something else? (all parts of my suspension look tight)

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Old 07-19-2013, 11:59 PM   #826
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A rig that has even one episode of DW should not be driven until it is fixed. Otherwise, the DW will damage additional components.

Although my YouTube diagnosis videos are of a JK and the bolt sizes and torque specs are different, the basic principles are the same.
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Tires should be rotated at every other oil change.


The front trackbar bolts should be retorqued at every oil change interval and after every major wheeling trip.

In fact, all control arm and trackbar bolts should be retorqued after every major wheeling trip.

Tires should be rebalanced when they go out of balance.

Especially on a TJ, the front trackbar should be removed at least at the axle side if the rig has had an episode of DW to determine if the bracket bolt holes have ovaled/enlarged or the trackbar bushing has been damaged.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:39 PM   #828
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I just started to get some death wobble at highway speeds. I crawled under the jeep to check things out and the only thing I could find was the nut on my JKS adjustable track ar had spun loose. Is this enough to cause the wobble?

I can pull out of my wobble by turning slightly some times and or slowing down below 50 mph.
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I just started to get some death wobble at highway speeds. I crawled under the jeep to check things out and the only thing I could find was the nut on my JKS adjustable track ar had spun loose. Is this enough to cause the wobble?

I can pull out of my wobble by turning slightly some times and or slowing down below 50 mph.
Most DW is trackbar related. Do not drive your jeep until you fix/repair your trackbar.
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I tightened it up and will take it for a test drive. I'll report the results.
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Hey, Had a DW once in a while on certain roads. I think the cause was tires out of balance and wobbled on roads that were messed up from frost bumps. Apparently just the right circumstances at one time. Anyway, went away when I got new tires mounted and balanced. Trying out the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs on my Rubicon instead of MTR's. Man are they nice and quiet.
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I got DW on my 04 last week never had any problems before. I drive it 95 miles a day mostly interstate. I hit a small bump at the end of abridge and it started shaking bad. I had to slow down to about 45 before it stopped. When I got home I started going over the front end could not see anything wrong. So I jacked it up then I heard a hissing. Found a nail in the front left tire. Checked tire pressure it was 15 psi. Pluged it aired it up have not had a problem yet.
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Hey, Had a DW once in a while on certain roads. I think the cause was tires out of balance and wobbled on roads that were messed up from frost bumps. Apparently just the right circumstances at one time. Anyway, went away when I got new tires mounted and balanced. Trying out the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs on my Rubicon instead of MTR's. Man are they nice and quiet.
Stay away from the goodyears I have them and they suck big time. They get great traction on and off road but they wear super fast and I've had nothing but problems. Check out copper tires my buddy runs them and they are at 80k with no problems
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Stay away from the goodyears I have them and they suck big time. They get great traction on and off road but they wear super fast and I've had nothing but problems. Check out copper tires my buddy runs them and they are at 80k with no problems
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So after re-torquing the jam nut on my JKS track bar the death wobble is almost completely gone. I think I'm in need of new tie rod ends and ill be good to go.
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just installed 2in spacer budget bost and now i got the death wobble twice on the way home

shakes really bad around 50mph and would not stop untill i got it down to 10mph

putting new 31in duratracs on today and new rims do you think that will help?

should i drop the transfer case?
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just installed 2in spacer budget bost and now i got the death wobble twice on the way home

shakes really bad around 50mph and would not stop untill i got it down to 10mph

putting new 31in duratracs on today and new rims do you think that will help?

should i drop the transfer case?
Did you do a wheel alignment after the lift?

Do you have drive line vibrations? That'd be the only reason I'd drop transfer case skid...
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Did you do a wheel alignment after the lift?

Do you have drive line vibrations? That'd be the only reason I'd drop transfer case skid...
Going to do aligment after i put the 31s on today
Drive line vibrations?what is that
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I have a 2002 TJ Sport with 97K on it. Rides like a dream! I am putting a tereflex BB lift on it with 32" 11.50 Goodyear MTR's, spacers and OME shocks. I'm from Long Island NY and Evan out in Bayshore is doing the install. (if anyone knows him talked about a lot on here) Anyway, reading all these posts I'm worried about the DW starting. I am getting an alignment the very next day the lift is installed and taking it on a 10+ hour road trip down south. Should I be concerned or worried about anything? Any feedback would be great. Thanks guys!
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Oh my 32 11.50's are going on my stock 15 inch rims too!

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