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Old 10-18-2010, 12:22 PM   #151
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make sure you dont have any mud stuck on or in your wheel - check the back of the wheels too. if you do, its going to cause them to be way out of balance (and lots of the posts in this thread say that tire balance cured it for them).
It was that nasty sticky stuff, I had thought about that but haven't had time to fool with it. Thanks for the idea, let ya know when I get home and have a chance to spray it off(wheels only of course, gotta leave the mud in the body!)

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Old 10-18-2010, 03:30 PM   #152
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It was that nasty sticky stuff, I had thought about that but haven't had time to fool with it. Thanks for the idea, let ya know when I get home and have a chance to spray it off(wheels only of course, gotta leave the mud in the body!)
Got about 2-3 lbs of mud off the inside of one rim! Got up to 65 and no shakes, Thanks firemonkey!

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Old 10-22-2010, 04:54 PM   #153
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What type a steering stabilizer did you install
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:56 PM   #154
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Would like some suggestions on a good quality steering stabilizer. Having problem with death wobble around 45 mph
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Old 10-27-2010, 06:18 AM   #155
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i have a 98 wrangler with the d-w-i checked it out on the forums-i let 5 pounds of air out and of each tire 31s it cured the problem thanks again.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:50 PM   #156
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death wobble

After i lifted my tj it has a 3 in teraflex lift i had to relocate and drill my trac bar and get it realigned to fix the death wobble.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:18 PM   #157
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This is the first jeep that I have owned, so Im not use to who they drive. I dont get death wobbles but it does wander from side to side alot, is this normal?
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:25 PM   #158
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Just had my first issue with death wobble in my 98 TJ w/ RE 3.5 & 33x12.50's. Its only happened once, around 45mph when I hit a bump while in a lazy curve to the right. I've been noticing a slow increase in some "shimmy" in the steering wheel and shifter around 45mph for a few weeks but nothing like this. Fortunately it was mild and went away as soon as I let off the throttle, but scary none the less. Weird stuff, been having her for awhile and never a prob and all of a sudden, boom there it is! Gonna climb up under there this week and have a look around, from what I've read its usually attributed to some play at the passenger side attachment of the track arm or the lower control arms. Is this right? I have also noticed a "pop" and "squeak" coming from the front end for a few weeks while backing up and turning the steering wheel. I'm thinking the bushings are wearing out? Think this could be related? Any advice is appreciated! Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:31 AM   #159
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Here ya go. And the steering stabilizer, also known as a steering dampener, is that object that looks like a shock absorber that is bolted to the Drag Link. Just keep in mind that the steering stabilizer is NEVER the cause of or cure for Death Wobble.
Hi quick question you might be able to help with... I just installed OME 2.5 lift came with a new steering stabilizer and after I got it aligned my steering stab started leaking. About 20cc total came out. Couldn't prove it was the tire guys so I ordered a new one. Before I install it - it's not normal for a new steering stab to leak a little correct ? figure I am doing the right thing but just want to make sure before I do it again. Btw after the leakage -it's stopped all of a sudden leaking. No issues with steering though.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:55 PM   #160
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I have an 2002 wrangler and ill be driving and when i shift gears my rearend shifts every time. Can someone tell me the cause of this?
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Do you have a lift?
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:08 PM   #162
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yes, i have a 4 inch suspension lift.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:12 AM   #163
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yes, i have a 4 inch suspension lift.
I have a 97 tj with a six inch rough country short arm lift, and when I took it into 4wheel parts for the same thing. They said that the short arm lifts are famous for that, the long arm lifts make the rear end a little more solid. Hope this helps. Btw I got used to it.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:06 AM   #164
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To elaborate on the track bars a bit. Some of the cheaper lift kits out there are selling track bars that are not adjustable. Because of that, they are not allowing for the adjustment of your castor angle. You ask "why isn't the factory bar adjustable?" Probably because they new they could save money on something that isn't needed as long as no changes are ever made to the suspension... like maybe a lift. This angle is best described using the shopping cart as an example. When there is not enough castor in the cart wheels, the wheels will wobble instead of track to whichever direction they are being pushed. We've all seen it at least once at Walmart and that is exactly what your jeep is doing. Becasue you have a straight axle on the jeep, the only way to adjust your castor is to rotate the axle forward or backward. You do this by adjusting the track bars longer or shorter. If the bar is short, the axle is rotated too far forward and you have too little castor. Your turning radius will be really short and you can turn on a dime. But the wheels will wobble at speed. If the bar is too long, the axle is rotated too far backward and you have too much castor. It'll go straight really good but won't turn worth a damn and will actually make your turning radius longer. The object is to find the happy medium. If it wobbles, increase your castor. If your track bar isn't adjustable, start looking for a replacement because everything else that you do is only masking over what really needs to be done.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:15 AM   #165
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Ummm Skidplate, I think you have trackbar and trailing arm confused. A trackbar has nothing to do with caster, but everything to do with lateral movement.
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Old 11-21-2010, 10:09 PM   #166
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Follow up on my earlier post

Found some play at the passenger side track arm. Torqued it to spec and no more DW! I drove over the previously causitive bumps at just the "right" speed numerous times. Still have some shimmy at 45-50mph but NO DW! Shimmy's prob from old tires/out of balance tires, which will be changing in about 4 weeks with new wheels & tires! I also plan to upgrade to an adjustable track bar this year as well per Mr. J. Bransford's advice(Thanks for the help sir!). Hope this helps y'all out! Happy wheelin'!
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:54 PM   #167
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06 TJ - DW - Track bar question

There is a lot of good info on this thread as I track down the cause of my own DW. Going down the checklist, looking at everything.

I have a completely stock 2006 TJ, stock tires, no lift.

I think the bushing at the axle end of the track bar has a bit of play in it, when grabbing the track bar and rotating, there is a slight bit of movement. Maybe the bushing needs worn and needs to be replaced?

Should the track bar be rock solid, with absolutely no movement at all?

Thanks for any and all advice.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:05 AM   #168
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There should be absolutely no side to side or front to rear play in the track bar. That was my problem. Torqued it spec at the pass side and no more DW! Good luck!
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Thanks for the info. I ordered a replacement bushing from Energy Suspension. Hope to see it in the mail this week, --next weekends project.
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wow, just WOW, at all the great info in this thread. thank you so much to all who took the time to write such informative replies and posts. and the pictures were great as well. I have worked on alot of my cars, so photos showing where the parts being spoken of were, in relation to the problem being discussed, are invaluable!

thanks again all. (PS. re my very minor (so far!) DW, I am going to start simple with some new front tires and an alignment. wish me luck! ).
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Old 12-04-2010, 07:26 PM   #171
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When I bought my Jeep, it had (still has) a 4" Teraflex lift, stock steering stabilizer, etc. I started noticing death wobble not long after getting it, so I ended up buying a Rancho steering stabilizer for $60 at a local shop. Solved a little bit of it, so I tried getting a rim or 2 balanced at my local tire shop. Can't say that helped. Finally bought a $70 spring wheel balancer with little bubble leveler from Harbor Freight with lead weights. Since then - no DW at all.
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I would like some help on my wobble. I had a 2 inch body lift with 31's and it drove so rough and when it wobbled i felt me jeep almost break bolt by bolt. I now have 33's and the wobble rarely happens but at 45 mph it starts to have a slight wobble then at like 53 it will stop. I will be installing a 2 inch suspension lift just coils and new shocks as well as new rear track bar bracket. Will this help? And why is this wobble at 45 mph happening? Any suggestions
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:29 PM   #173
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45 mph shimmying is generally always due to imperfectly balanced tires and never due to alignment issues.
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45 mph shimmying is generally always due to imperfectly balanced tires and never due to alignment issues.
I think you are correct on that!
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Ummm Skidplate, I think you have trackbar and trailing arm confused. A trackbar has nothing to do with caster, but everything to do with lateral movement.
I think he has track bar (panhard bar) and control arms confused......
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:15 PM   #176
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i just balanced my tires before i put them on. An alignment may be next and hopefully it stops. I feel if i fix the wobble i will also fix the reminder that if have a wrangler everytime i hit it. All none jeepers that are with me when it happens hear the words "its a jeep thing" from my mouth everytime .
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A DW update.

2006 Wrangler X, 4.0L, all stock, no mod’s or lifts –yet.

Over time, the DW was getting worse. After a bunch of searching and reviewing a lot of posts on this forum, I created my checklist and crawled under my TJ for a look.

Found that my trackbar bushing had a slight amount of movement when I grabbed the bar and tried to rotate. Thanks to the responses to my query on how much movement is too much, I decided to replace the bushing. Any movement is to much.

I ordered a replacement trackbar bushing from Energy Suspension, part number 2.7102. Price with shipping was about $13.00. Also ordered replacement hardware from McMaster, a bag of M10, 75mm bolts, washers and nuts. Price including shipping was about $40.00.

Parts arrived, the M10 bolt did not fit the sleeve that came with the trackbar bushing kit, there was bit of an air gap. More research on this site suggested a 7/16 bolt might work. Went to Lowes and purchased a grade 8, 3 inch, 7/16 bolt, washers, and nuts, cost was about $5.00. The 7/16 bolt fit perfectly.

The original bolt came out with no problem, dropped down one end of the trackbar and was able to remove the original bushing after lots of cussing and swearing, finally got it out using a mix of a torch, hacksaw, and a gear puller that I used to “press” out the inner sleeve of the original bushing. There was some wear on one side of the front side of the bushing sleeve, probably the cause of the slight amount of movement when I checked the trackbar earlier.

The original bolt and the new M10 bolt were too small for the hole in the bracket holding the trackbar bushing. The 7/16 bolt fit just fine, so I used that. Greased up all the parts with the supplied lubricant and bolted everything back together. Had to use two pieces of 1/8 by ╝ bar stock wedged under the nut as I could not get a wrench to fit in the small space. Now there is absolutely no movement on the trackbar. When test driving, I aimed for every bump I could find.

One week, so far no more DW. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks for all of the advice, really helps to read about what others have done that fixed or did not fix problems with their Jeeps. I really don't know if hole in the bracket holding the trackbar had enlarged with wear, or the bolt was to small to start with?
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Putting an end to death wobble-finally

There is no NO NNO excuse why everyone on this thread should be tolerating any death wobble from a stock jeep.

If you spend good money on the jeep in the first place, take off from work to get it looked at and it comes back often leaving the owner to diagnose what cluster of a suspension the engineers designed.

Now put your two cents in and write the NHTSA, they have an email, every time your jeep death wobbles SEND ANOTHER EMAIL.

How many people on this thread have experienced it-....

How many people not on the thread or forum are experiencing it and don't know how common it is.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Contact
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Old 12-23-2010, 03:15 PM   #179
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I agree Jerry This is a JEEP problem. It ticks me off that Jeep isnt required to fix this problem b4 someone gets killed. I have an 01 wrangler and have been chasing this problem with no succss yet. I firmly believe it is as you said that if everything was up to snuff the stabilizer would not be needed. I bet that was Jeeps quick fix rather than getting the engineers to design a fix for a potentially deadly problem.
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Old 12-23-2010, 03:45 PM   #180
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follow the link in post 178 and gripe about this deadly death wobble--I did

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