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Old 02-07-2008, 06:45 AM   #31
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i like my selactable in snow and in rain...
I agree, a selectable is the best of both worlds but they seem to break alot, either airlines or solenoids. Maybe the Ox in the back is good but I don't know anyone who has ever done a rear OX, they always end up in the front for some reason. I've been kinda gun shy about an ARB, might have something to do with the amount of people who have problems and post about it, they exceed the people who have no problem with arb's probably by 20:1 <shrug> maybe. I actually might try an arb or an Elocker in the unlocked TJ rear, that one is our spare for when either the ZJ or XJ is down or one of the kids borrowed it for it's stationwagon function of moving stuff. I just hope I don't end up kicking myself for spending the coin on something thats going to give me problems, I hate doing diffs almost as much as drum brakes and exhaust systems

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Old 02-07-2008, 12:40 PM   #32
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the reason why you see those ox lockers in the font more often is cause people put the auto lockers in the back cause there less noticeable on the road and sometimes cheaper... and the ox's in the front cause of the fact you can unlock them cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

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Old 02-07-2008, 03:00 PM   #33
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...cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

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Have you ever actually driven a TJ in 2wd with an automatic locker in the front axle? If you had, you should have noticed they're virtually unnoticeable when you're in 2wd on the street. Drive mine and you'd come away with a different opinion for how they are on the street. Even with my front hubs locked, you would never know my TJ had an automatic locker in its front axle when you drive it on the street in 2wd. All those warnings you read about problems with front lockers are common in other vehicles, just not in the TJ.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:17 PM   #34
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i drove a friends XJ with a detroit in the rear axle. in rain it could be a bit dangerous. but if you got used to it you won´t notice the locker on the road.
i would never install an auto locker. i would ever install a selectable again.
I bet he had worn tires my XJ gets positively squirrely in wet weather with worn tires. I don't know about the TJ, I've never had the tires get past the halfway point before replacing them from rips and tears.
The XJ I scared myself a couple of times making turns from a stop into an intersection, I could feel the back end slide out from under me, sure changes directions fast that way though makes a right or left angle 90 degree turn really really quick.... the XJ I judge tire wear by the eyeball and the seat of the pants method. Seat of the pants method tells me they be slipping, eyeball tells me who has them on sale this week
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:31 PM   #35
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Okay fella's, I've been getting irritated with this for awhile and this thread is a good place to say something about it. I'm not banning anyone and not going to delete any threads, but consider this the warning. You need to keep the Tech threads on topic and the fun and games crap in the Off Topic Forum. This board will not become some slamfest like Pirate is. I have had conversations with those involved and I thank Scout for bringing up this subject also.
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:40 PM   #36
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the reason why you see those ox lockers in the font more often is cause people put the auto lockers in the back cause there less noticeable on the road and sometimes cheaper... and the ox's in the front cause of the fact you can unlock them cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

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This is just flat out not true. With the nature of a TJ/YJ's front end setup there is not torque or power going to the front wheels when the TCase is in 2HI. The only time you will even notice an auto locker up front is when you are turning and it ratchets some. However that will not affect the performance of the vehicle in any way. For the average wheeler that lives on constant dry ground I'd say that an automatic locker will be perfect up front. For the wheeler that has to deal with wet/slick conditions a lot I would agree that a manual locker up front is the best.

Now as far as the benefits of a Manual vs. Auto locker up front off road? That's a whole different thread.
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:51 PM   #37
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whats ur opinion on the rear auto locker in snowy donditions though?
thats the op

also it seems its all in what you're used to, some people are used to the auto lockers in the rear in the snow and some are not, once you are used to them maybe you dont notice it, but when someone first makes the switch it will be very noticable, the locker will lock up on sharp turns when the outside wheel is spinning faster then the inside wheel, this will cause the jeep to skid because the tire will not be spinning at the speed they need to be to get around the turn, this is usualy fine because the asphalt has enough friction to either "override" the locker for lack of better explanation or the tires will skip a little and regain traction, but on a slippery suface the tires will lose their static friction and then skid around the turn, thats how lockers work, now its given that you can learn how to drive to avoid that and how to drive when it does happen, but the only way to learn is through mistakes, and you just have to hope that the mistakes dont have big consequences while you're still learning to drive with the rear locker

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