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Old 06-21-2013, 10:38 AM   #31
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I measure axle center as best i could off the frame. dropped a string with nut on it down off the outside frame at the same place both sides and it showed right side frame to balljoiunt at 8 5/16 and left at 8 7/16. If this is enough to make a difference ill fix it. Opinions?

Also I'm starting to suspect pitman arm. It is not exactly pointed straight back. Pointed Off to the right a little. And it's off to the right some from the mark I made on the gearbox spline before I removed the other pitman arm.

If I did center the wheel and try to adjust the right tire in like flash suggested it won't work because I'm already out of drag link adjustment.
All TJ pitmans when installed correctly and aligned correctly will point slightly to the driver's side of straight back. If you standing over the steering gear and the sector shaft was the clock center with 12 being pointed straight back, the pitman arm TRE nut is usually right at 1 o'clock.

You have used up all the adjustment and based on what I can see so far, I'd be looking at borrowing a steering gear and swapping it in to see if there is something wrong internally with it.

If you are certain you have a stock TJ pitman, that is.

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Original Replacement Parts 52038337 - Pitman Arm for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with Power Steering - Quadratec this where I got the pitman arm. With the steering wheel centered I'm pointed slightly passenger side between 11 & 12 o'clock. So the way I see it now. New pitman arm or adjust the steering shaft on the splines that go into steering gear. Maybe it was previously replaced or adjusted off with the drop pitman arm.

Is the steering shaft spline keyed so it can only go on one way or can it be turned?

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Original Replacement Parts 52038337 - Pitman Arm for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with Power Steering - Quadratec this where I got the pitman arm. With the steering wheel centered I'm pointed slightly passenger side between 11 & 12 o'clock. So the way I see it now. New pitman arm or adjust the steering shaft on the splines that go into steering gear. Maybe it was previously replaced or adjusted off with the drop pitman arm.

Is the steering shaft spline keyed so it can only go on one way or can it be turned?
Your steering gear is FUBAR. There is no adjustment between the splined hub for the steering wheel on the steering column, the splines at the column to intermediate shaft, intermediate shaft to steering gear input shaft. They are all keyed and splined.

There is a way to solve your issue. I'm hesitant to relate it because you need to find your other issue, but to clock the pitman over one or two teeth on the sector shaft, all you have to do is take a triangle file to the double wide splines in it, file them to match the other ones and then clock it over 1 or 2 splines. I do it all the time on custom steering because I use a lot of WJ arms and they are clocked differently than the TJ pitman.
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Is the steering shaft spline keyed so it can only go on one way or can it be turned?
I replaced my steering box recently. I know that there is an "intermediate" shaft between the steering wheel shaft and the steering box. This intermediate shaft has splines and pinch bolts to hold it on. The manual made a big deal out of marking the relationship of the shaft to the steering box shaft and the other steering shaft so I'm assuming it could be turned to different locations on the spline, but don't know that for sure. The one other thing that the manual cautioned about was to lock down the steering wheel using the seat belt so that the steering wheel would not turn while disconnected. They claim that if this happens the clock spring must be recentered.

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Old 06-21-2013, 09:22 PM   #35
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I'm 99.999% certain it is NOT possible to move the pitman to one of the other spots due to the steering gear only having about 90° of swing.
My suggestion on how to center the wheel stands.

I will remain firm when I say this.

When I replaced my steering gear box last weekend, the pitman arm was able to go into 4 different positions on the splines of the gear box.
I put it on all 4 spots to make sure I knew it was possible.

Yes you may only have so much movement from this arm, he mentioned that he was (90*) off

center your wheels.
disconnect your pitman arm
center your steering wheel
disconnect your drag link
reconnect your pitman arm so it points to somewhere close to the center of the vehicle.
adjust your drag link coupling to connect properly with your pitman arm.
tighten it all back up.

If you need a pic of what it should look like P.m. me
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I'm looking at getting another pitman arm from another company. I looked at another jeep today and could noticeably tell the pitman arm pointing toward the drivers side a bit where as mine points towards the passenger side with steering wheel centered. My steering gear is tight, no slop or noises, I don't see any problems with it. Even my old dropped pitman arm pointed toward the drivers side some.
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Before you spend any more money is it possible to slip your old DPA on with the steering wheel centered and see how it sits on the box? Should be almost straight back just a little to the drivers side.
While you have it off look very carefully at the splines on the shaft and make sure their straight from bottom to top with No twist to them.
I'm curious as to what you find
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I'm looking at getting another pitman arm from another company. I looked at another jeep today and could noticeably tell the pitman arm pointing toward the drivers side a bit where as mine points towards the passenger side with steering wheel centered. My steering gear is tight, no slop or noises, I don't see any problems with it. Even my old dropped pitman arm pointed toward the drivers side some.
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Before you spend any more money is it possible to slip your old DPA on with the steering wheel centered and see how it sits on the box? Should be almost straight back just a little to the drivers side.
While you have it off look very carefully at the splines on the shaft and make sure their straight from bottom to top with No twist to them.
I'm curious as to what you find
Given what I know of sector shafts, I don't believe it is possible to twist one. It would break first. The torsion bar in the steering gear is messed up and allowed the sector to move off center. He can either clock a pitman, or replace the steering gear.
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Given what I know of sector shafts, I don't believe it is possible to twist one. It would break first. The torsion bar in the steering gear is messed up and allowed the sector to move off center. He can either clock a pitman, or replace the steering gear.
I've seen at least two (that I can recall) twisted sector shafts. These were both on Saginaw boxes. You could see where the splines were twisted above the pitman arm. Both instances were from the vehicle's front tires hitting a curb at a good rate on icy roads.
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I've seen at least two (that I can recall) twisted sector shafts. These were both on Saginaw boxes. You could see where the splines were twisted above the pitman arm. Both instances were from the vehicle's front tires hitting a curb at a good rate on icy roads.
I've had 5 in recent memory that came in broken in half right above the pitman with no evidence of twisting. Regardless, I'll still put good money on not being able to twist one roughly 30° and keep it intact.

If you take 360 and divide it by 12 for each position on a clock face, that gives roughly 30° for each space. To go from 1 to 12 or even more has to be at least 30° or more which I don't see happening. Torsion bar being bent is far more likely.
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Given what I know of sector shafts, I don't believe it is possible to twist one. It would break first. The torsion bar in the steering gear is messed up and allowed the sector to move off center. He can either clock a pitman, or replace the steering gear.
I haven't seen one twisted on a Jeep but I have on many other vehicles so I'm not going to say It Can't Happen. I just want him to check all Possibilities and Know whats wrong before he throws more money at it.
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I've had 5 in recent memory that came in broken in half right above the pitman with no evidence of twisting. Regardless, I'll still put good money on not being able to twist one roughly 30° and keep it intact.

If you take 360 and divide it by 12 for each position on a clock face, that gives roughly 30° for each space. To go from 1 to 12 or even more has to be at least 30° or more which I don't see happening. Torsion bar being bent is far more likely.
These were twisted maybe 2 or 3 degrees. Maybe. I was surprised they hadn't busted. I can't imagine there was any strength left in the shaft.
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Should i assume that the standard and dropped pitman arm should be clocked the same on the spline? Because from one to the other it was off. Dropped one was at about 1" the standard one I put on ended up about 11:30 or so. Only reason I said another pitman arm was because I didn't very the part number or what they sent so thought it might be incorrect.
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Why not take your new pitman arm down to a Chrysler dealer parts counter and ask to see an oem one you could match it to?

Here's a picture of mine as it relates to the drivers side frame with the wheels real close to straight ahead.
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Well problem solved. Thank you to those that offered good advice and suggestions to resolve this problem. I removed the quadratech pitman arm and compared to the new omix-Ada on 18006.5. This is what I found.
You can see the key ways indexed off.

Installed the new one and it indexed toward the drivers side like it's suppose to w/ wheels straight. Adjusted the drag link and centered up the wheels.

I'm glad I didn't throw money away replacing the steering gear.
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Glad you resolved the issue Adam!

I wonder if that's just a one off pitman arm mistake or there's a whole lot of them out there? I'm guessing it was indexed incorrectly when they broached the splines or upside down?
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Glad you got it solved...things like that can make you pull your hair out...must have happened a lot to me...!!!
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I know this is old but I just got a message from another member having the same problem with the quadratec pitman arm. So buyer beware, doesn't look like an isolated incident.
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I know this is old but I just got a message from another member having the same problem with the quadratec pitman arm. So buyer beware, doesn't look like an isolated incident.
Good info...Thanks.

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