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Old 06-03-2008, 07:07 PM   #31
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yeah i gotta look around the engine bay and hope for the best.

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Old 06-03-2008, 09:18 PM   #32
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tripp instead of all the mods you should PUT UR JEEP TO USE, besides rolling on pavement.... anyhow mines have not seen dirt in almost 3 months.. it barely moves.. got me a commuting civic.. hech I just went on a dirt trail on the civic, visiting the cemetary.. sad....

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tripp instead of all the mods you should PUT UR JEEP TO USE, besides rolling on pavement

The nearest one is like 150 miles away

At some point i felt like selling that thing because of that reason I mean i'm just putting money for gas in it and cannot have any fun
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:06 PM   #34
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I know how u feel man.. It would have been sold by now if I did not have payments.. closest to me is 60 miles.. 30 bucks just to get there.. last time I went I spent 100 dollars on gas alone. so to have fun instead of gassing it up for offroad, I look into cheap mods..

I hate driving the civic, but the gas its saving me makes me happy.. 30+ mpg.. and my insurance rate is a bit cheaper for multiple cars... too bad I had to sell the bike to get a DD. But it gives me a reason to buy a new one when I get the job I longed for.

o and the jeep makes me feel manly, than usual
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closest to me is 60 miles.. 30 bucks just to get there..
youre only getting about 8 MPG ??
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nah more like 13. was about 25, bucks but you get the idea.. okok I bought a bag of chips with gas..
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haha not trying to bust your balls or anything. was saddened to see if someone got less MPG's than me! i get about 10 MPG city.
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i got 32'' tires.. u got 37''.. but hey u can offroad in your backyard. and about 700lbs more than me
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Alright so i have everything i need to install it. I will give it a shot tomorow if it doesnt rain. Is it the top or bottom coolant hose gives the coolant to the radiator?

I rather ask so i have my info all ready for tomorow instead of waiting for everything to warm up and then look for it..
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The coolant enters the motor through the top hose and goes back into the radiator through the bottom hose.The T-stat is at the end of the upper hose.If you are planing on putting a T in the hose I would use the lower because the water temp at the upper is not going to be as hot.But I would recommend putting a T or a Y fitting at the water neck were the factory temp guage sensor is because you are not going to get true engine temps anywere else.
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where is the factory temp gauge sensor at? is that it on that pic behind the belts?
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tripp, i expect a DETAILED write up when you finish.
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heres some more info to chew on. I have been threw all this just recently.

I had two fans running, a pusher and a puller with no shroud except the stock one. this didnt cut it on the hot days, I had to buy a flexalite with a shroud to keep cool. pretty much your just cooling the center of the radiator and not the whole thing like you would be with a shroud that fits the fan and radiator. And the sensor i tried the same thing as what you did. the stock sensor didnt act right and was off several degrees. far enough where i was getting a too cold for too long trouble code and very shitty MPG.
i had to put it back in the stock position and i ended up sticking a sensor for my autometer in the bottom of my radiator where the drain plug is. its been working ok but the sensor doesnt kick in till the coolant starts flowing. just food for thought guys if it works for you then thats great. Im running a auto thermo switch and it works good. I am on number 3 though. Im seriously considering just using a regular switch. I havnt been able to find a good thermo switch that stands up to the vibrations and water and heat. And yes i have mine siliconed up and mountetd properlly.
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tripp.. u must do a write up, with pics and where u got the parts from. plus total price.. u got to do this to make up for the plexiglass bumper.heheheh
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Yeah That is it on the top of the T fitting.The one comeing out of the side of the T is the temp switch for the fan.
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heres some more info to chew on. I have been threw all this just recently.

I had two fans running, a pusher and a puller with no shroud except the stock one. this didnt cut it on the hot days, I had to buy a flexalite with a shroud to keep cool. pretty much your just cooling the center of the radiator and not the whole thing like you would be with a shroud that fits the fan and radiator. And the sensor i tried the same thing as what you did. the stock sensor didnt act right and was off several degrees. far enough where i was getting a too cold for too long trouble code and very shitty MPG.
i had to put it back in the stock position and i ended up sticking a sensor for my autometer in the bottom of my radiator where the drain plug is. its been working ok but the sensor doesnt kick in till the coolant starts flowing. just food for thought guys if it works for you then thats great. Im running a auto thermo switch and it works good. I am on number 3 though. Im seriously considering just using a regular switch. I havnt been able to find a good thermo switch that stands up to the vibrations and water and heat. And yes i have mine siliconed up and mountetd properlly.

Were do you live the desert???It was 92 here today and mine did get a little warmer than it had the last few days of cooler weather but I drove for about 45 mins in the hottest part of the day today and mine got to around 195.My fan is 16"s and covers about 90% of the core surface and mine and Trips both are a little over 2700CFM pullers so if you had a smaller fan with less than 2400 CFM then I can see a problem.I just put a fan relay in a 2001 Grand Cherokee today and it has a 16" E fan that is maybe 1500 CFM at most and it keeps them cool.Yes it does have a shroud but I would bet you that with the E fan you pull the shroud off and it wouldn't run no more than 5 degrees warmer.I have seen modified dirt track cars with the same fans we are useing run all night long WITHOUT shrouds and they stay cool unless there are other issues with it.All I can say is it is working great for me but then again they said you couldn't run a drop pitman arm with out the track bar drop too but I have been doing it for some time now and have no problems at all there.
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The coolant enters the motor through the top hose and goes back into the radiator through the bottom hose.

I think it is the other way around. It enters the radiator thru the top hose and flows down and enters the engine thru the bottom hose.

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I think it is the other way around. It enters the radiator thru the top hose and flows down and enters the engine thru the bottom hose.

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I am not 100% but I don't think so.The thermostat holds the coolant back until the temp of the water that is in the engine reaches that specific degree then opens to allow coolant into the engine and the T-stat is on the upper hose??????
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Ya almost all cooling systems flow down. One reason is as he water cools it gets denser and sinks toward the bottom of the rad.
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I live in so cal, its one thing hauling ass and getting good temps its another being 90 degrees and in 4low climbing hills or playing on rocks. I would get a thermo gun to make sure your temp gauges are accurate after moving them. im not saying your setup wont work just keep an eye on it. i had issues in 4 low and had issues using the AC on not in 4 low. the other problem i had using a T/Y fitting like you did is the ground resistance of the sensors. everything was off and showing cooler then it really was
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Heres my setup. if you guys see anything i did wrong please feel free to let me know. I know this setup isnt perfect.
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Sensor in the drain plug off my all metal radiator


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The only thing I can see is your temp. will be read from the coolest point and will not a true indication of the engine temp like if it was at the t-stat housing or in the block. I don't know if you remember the old nox device but it had a temp. pick-up taped to the upper hose.

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alright guys i just attempted it and i got some bad news. I did a T fitting so now the stock sensor is on the far end of the t fitting.
DO NOT DO THIS!!! I gave it a try just to see if the fan will even go on and NO my jeep started bubbling out of the coolant bottle before the fan even turned on. This also screws with the stock sensor as well because it doesnt get any flow either. In other words my stock sensor measured ~180 degrees while in reality it would have been over 215 because it started bubbling. AGAIN DO NOT DO THIS. To make things worse its storming now.





So now i will be putting another t fitting on to the big top coolant line then. We established that the top coolant line is the one that returns the coolant from the engine to the radiator right?

here is my wiring diagram i made last night. I think i'm gonna make it so the fan runs even after i turn off the jeep until the sensor cools down to shut it off.
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Thanks Donn!! I looked for my book earlier but couldn't find it.I even looked on the back of a coolant jug and the cover of a water pump box I had at the garage but was still not sure.I thought about that a few times today and was still thinking bassackwardsAnyway now I am know was 100% wrong O well ya can't win em all
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I live in so cal, its one thing hauling ass and getting good temps its another being 90 degrees and in 4low climbing hills or playing on rocks. I would get a thermo gun to make sure your temp gauges are accurate after moving them. im not saying your setup wont work just keep an eye on it. i had issues in 4 low and had issues using the AC on not in 4 low. the other problem i had using a T/Y fitting like you did is the ground resistance of the sensors. everything was off and showing cooler then it really was
Yeah I did use my temp gun again today and the highest reading was 182 When the temp guage was at its highest(about have way between the first mark and the 210 mark) the fitting at the guage sensor read 179 the upper hose read 182.Now I am sure the coolant temp was a little higher than those readings because the fan was running so it had to be at least 185 to trigger the switch and also the guage said around 190.The red line is were it runs now and the green is were it used to run.
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Heres my setup. if you guys see anything i did wrong please feel free to let me know. I know this setup isnt perfect.
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Sensor in the drain plug off my all metal radiator


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What is the probe sticking in the radiator on the bottom pic?Also I like the pod!!!

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