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Old 06-07-2008, 06:04 PM   #61
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The probe is the sending unite for the gauge. That reminds me I want to order a pod and oil temp gauge. I was going to get a vac gauge but now maybe a water temp? What you think?

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[QUOTE=Triple88a;235659]alright guys i just attempted it and i got some bad news. I did a T fitting so now the stock sensor is on the far end of the t fitting.
DO NOT DO THIS!!! I gave it a try just to see if the fan will even go on and NO my jeep started bubbling out of the coolant bottle before the fan even turned on. This also screws with the stock sensor as well because it doesnt get any flow either. In other words my stock sensor measured ~180 degrees while in reality it would have been over 215 because it started bubbling. AGAIN DO NOT DO THIS. To make things worse its storming now.



That is how I have mine and my fan kicks on with no problems.Did you use teflon tape or pipe sealer on the temp switch???If you did that is why.It has to ground in order to work.??????

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yup thats the sending unit to my gauge. remember the coolant temp you have has to be higher then your thermostat or it wont open. the stock temp thermo is a 195 degrees. I had a vac gauge which was fun to watch but it really doesnt help monitor anything haha. I want a trans temp and coolant temp. and oil is a good one too. the hardest part is putting a sending unit in a good location. The next time i drain my trans im gonna put a sending unit in the trans pan. im running a deep trans pan with a drain plug from Rubicon Express, so i just have to find the correct adapter for the drain plug.
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yup thats the sending unit to my gauge. remember the coolant temp you have has to be higher then your thermostat or it wont open. the stock temp thermo is a 195 degrees. I had a vac gauge which was fun to watch but it really doesnt help monitor anything haha. I want a trans temp and coolant temp. and oil is a good one too. the hardest part is putting a sending unit in a good location. The next time i drain my trans im gonna put a sending unit in the trans pan. im running a deep trans pan with a drain plug from Rubicon Express, so i just have to find the correct adapter for the drain plug.
I have a 5spd so It's hard to choose I know a vac gauge is more for looks.
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I would put a vac gauge, there fun to watch, just make sure you keep your eyes on the road haha. its easy to tap into the brake booster for a reading. I would only recomend autometer gauges or other high dollar gauge. I tried some of the cheaper ones and they were a waste of money. you can get the gauge pod cheap through quadra tec
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Hey Trip did you try to touch the wire that hooks to the temp switch to a ground first.If you turn your key on and touch the wire that hooks to the temp switch to a ground source the fan should run,if not you need to check the wireing.
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I would put a vac gauge, there fun to watch, just make sure you keep your eyes on the road haha. its easy to tap into the brake booster for a reading. I would only recomend autometer gauges or other high dollar gauge. I tried some of the cheaper ones and they were a waste of money. you can get the gauge pod cheap through quadra tec
Ya Im getting autometer ultra lights the same as you I never buy those cheap things.
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Why did you put the second water temp gauge? How does it compare to stock. Why did you put the sender where it is cooler?
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yes i checked and when i take the wire off the thermostat and put it on ground, the fan runs like hell. I had my volt meter also. I was putting it on the thermostat every couple of minutes to see what i get for reading. It read like 1 volt but that was it (ground to sensor and red lead to battery 12 volt terminal)


Well i just came back from the jeep.
More hell. I busted a knucle that I dont even know how but i saw it when it started bleeding. But anyhow the new problem. I cant take the sleeve off because its all tight.


Not just that but since its open if i remove the over fill bottle it opens up the system so now i have coolant flowing out the hole like its a waterfall so i cannot remove that. The problem after that is the fan shroud is in the way so i have no place to work. Since the shroud is connected to the over fill bottle, i cant remove it either. In other words... hell....

After 15-20 minutes of messing with it with the vice grips i was finally able to get it loose and off. I installed the old thermostat just the way it was originally.


Then i removed the shroud to see how i can mount the fan with the stock shroud. Well i figured it out however have not done anything yet



I dont think i did any damage with the earlier heating wave. I installed the stock fan back on and the shroud and everything just like the way it was so i'm almost back where i stated (the relay is all connected and ready but i need to figure out the way i'm gonna mount the thermostat). I wanna drive it around tonight to see what the temp gauge reads.



Just to give you guys an idea. While i had the fan off, the engine idles much smoother and revved much faster.
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Also who the hell designed the stock fan? Mine is crooked!!!! It has 5 blades and 3 of them are about 60 degrees apart while the other 2 are off sort of like a person doing jumping jacks... wtf!!!!!



Sherman, no i did not use anything to seal it up. I just tightened it up.
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:14 PM   #71
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tripp what about one of these? Don't know the correct size tho.
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yes i'm thinking of running one of those. Seems like i will have to ground the sensor too.

Any one know the inside diameter of the stock hoses?
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Trip this go's inline with your radiator hose so you can mount your sending unit, Its made by BeCool. If you think it will work for you and you can wait for the US mail I will send it to you, Just PM me your address and I will send it out on Monday. FREEBEE.

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yes that will definitely work if holes are right, check your pms. I'm guessing the ID of the rubber pipes to the radiator are 1.5" because i got 5.25" circumference.

Also is that small thing with the bolt in it drilled all the way through or is it just welded there?
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This was sent to me by BeCool with them assuming I was running a stock configured radiator, So it will work with your hose. The bolt on the bottom does not go all the way through.
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Trip my wife will put it in the mail Monday morning, Hope it works out for you.
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it should work Thank you very much I'll keep you guys updated on the write up.
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Also who the hell designed the stock fan? Mine is crooked!!!! It has 5 blades and 3 of them are about 60 degrees apart while the other 2 are off sort of like a person doing jumping jacks... wtf!!!!!

For once I think know the answer! Its so you can adjust the tensioner for your serpentine belt. Because without the larger gap, a ratchet wont fit.
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For once I think know the answer! Its so you can adjust the tensioner for your serpentine belt. Because without the larger gap, a ratchet wont fit.


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oh i see, i havent done the belts yet so i have no idea.. lol with that fan removed it looks very tempting to put a pulley on there and supercharge the muthatrucka
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oh i see, i havent done the belts yet so i have no idea.. lol with that fan removed it looks very tempting to put a pulley on there and supercharge the muthatrucka
You just like to make things more complicated than they are don't yaI don't know but I am thinking you may have a junk temp switch.I started on mine and removed the factory fan took a break,removed the water bottle and took a break,removed the shroud took a break,then removed the guage sensor and USED a 3/8 NPT plug to stop the coolant FROM RUNNING LIKE A WATER FALL,then took a break well anyway you get the picture and it took me about 3 hours with all the Tea breaks and it worked great the first time.I would say boil some water and use a cooking thermometer to get the water temp to 215 degrees and wrap a wire around the threads of the temp switch and hook your top wire and drop in the 215 degree water.Waite a few second and test the ohms between the two wire or just use a multi meter and set to ohms and it should beep if the switch is good.
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good idea on the way to test the sensor. I will do that as soon as i get my pants on..

I cannot plug the 3/8ths sensor hole because i was trying to remove the threaded sleeve, also why did you remove the stock sensor?
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I just saw that you used a T also. Gotta tell you dude, your temp gauge inside your jeep is off. Yesterday when i first started working on mine, i first put the tfitting and tried it out with the stock fans. It would not go above 180ish. Later when i tried it out when it started boiling, mine was just above 180
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what trip is saying is what i was trying to tell you guys.
i ran into the same issue a while back.
I dont think running the sensor between 2 rubber hoses will work either. you wont be properlly grounded. the best bet is somewhere in the block or radiator. i know on the boat motors i work on theres usually a plug in the back of the head that drains the water/coolant out of the head for winterizing. if our motors have the same kind of plug that would be the perfect spot for a sensor. im gonna be working on the jeep later today if i find a plug ill post it up.
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I have checked and double checked mine with the temp gun and mine is not off.If it is it is no more than 5 degrees.I also removed the guage sensor to bleed the air out so I know coolant was getting to the sensor.If the coolants not getting up into the T fitting it will be off.I donno maybe I just got lucky
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sweet man im glad it works for you. maybe thats the secret, if you dont bleed out the air bubbles from the sensor you will have a constant lack of fluid flowing.
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All I gotta say is thanks, I went out to the jeep and noticed a small drip at the water pump. I've been jinxed.
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Yeah I think so but I still think Trips temp switch may be bad.We will have to wait and see.I just hope he gets it all worked out.Hey Silver sorry to hear we jinxed ya.But look at it this way it was at home instead of 300 miles away and the water pump locks up
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Yeah I think so but I still think Trips temp switch may be bad.We will have to wait and see.I just hope he gets it all worked out.Hey Silver sorry to hear we jinxed ya.But look at it this way it was at home instead of 300 miles away and the water pump locks up
dude even if the temp switch they gave me is bad my stock thermometer shouldn't be 30 degrees off.

As for grounding the unit, i will use a 4 gauge wire i have from my amp install.

I havent done anything today. My head has been killing me all day so i've been trying to sleep. Over night it was very hot and humid and the ac is too loud so i got couple of hours of sleep..It sucks sleeping at 80% humidity at 90 degree F, no questions there.
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Why did you put the second water temp gauge? How does it compare to stock. Why did you put the sender where it is cooler?
I put in the second temp gauge because my stock one was acting retarded with me. When i first was messing with the E fan setup. when i would overheat it wouldnt give me any warning. it would go from a tad over 210 to REDLINE in about 1 second. its pretty good, but becasue i have my temp sender in the bottom of the radiator its always cooler then what it is. I wanna say it hover around 180 all the time. but i can still watch it creep up alot more accurately if i start to over heat with the autometer. my next gauge is a trans temp

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