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Old 12-16-2013, 01:39 PM   #1
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Four wheel parts broke my locker

Hey guys I'm trying to get some advice on an issue with my TJ rubicon.
I had 4wp rebuild my front end , new seals and ring and pinion just because they were under warranty.
I drove it for about 250 miles and it locked up . I pulled over and smoke was coming out of my pinion seal. I towed it up to 4wp and they pulled the cover and said my spider gears in my locker were destroyed. I just spent the little money I had on getting it rebuild so I had them just pull the locker and replace it with just regular gears. Three days later they call and say they need to change the yoke but they only one they can find is in Oregon so it will be a week. But they will cover the cost of all of that. Sounded kind of weird but whatever they were paying for it. I finally get the jeep back a week later and just out of curiosity I asked for the broken parts. Turns out that the pinion got so hot that it fused the outer barring to it and had to be beaten so hard, just to get it out, that the threads on top of it are nearly gone.
I am not a mechanic but if my spider gears break won't that either stop the power going to the pinion ( because it's not in 4wd) or at least not cause it turn purple and melt the bearing to it .
I think it's a lot more realistic to think the pinion was tightened to much which caused it to seize and then break the spider gears.

4wp manger said I was arguing in circles and that there was no way to know what happened first and that I can talk to the mechanic tommorrow.

I just want some honest opinions even if Im completely off base or if I'm headed in the right direction.

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There is absolutely no way in hell broken spider gears are going to melt bearings. They straight up botched the gear install and put to much preload on the pinion.

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Thanks .. Now I've got to get them to admit to it
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Unfortunately that might be hard. There's really is no way to definitively prove it, but it's clear as day what really happened.
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Wow I'm such an idiot.. They never even mentioned that my pinion was destroyed until I asked for the parts ...
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I spoke with a senior service tech at 4wp, he was very nice but as usual he took their side and suggested that the spider gears fragmented into tiny pieces that they were sucked up into the pinion Bearing and that's what caused it to super heat and fuse together all in about 10 seconds . At least that was the first part of the conversation. I then explained that the pinion was also bent ( according to a 4wp employee) and that I hadn't even even engaged the 4wd and I was driving in a straight line and that they never even mentioned my pinion was destroyed until I requested the parts and that the diff oil was so burnt I was "lucky the diff fluid didn't ignite" ( according to 4wp) . Needless to say he changed his tune a bit so I'm now waiting for someone to get back from lunch so I can contact the regional manager.

I'm still hoping they will do right by me
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Sounds to me like they forgot to refill it with fluid.

A local shop did that to a buddy of mine and on the way home he came to a stop sign and the seized when he stopped, cost them a full rebuild.
A couple of years later he had them build a front D44, he made it to the same stop sign, another seized R&P, no fluid in that one either.
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That's why you never go to 4wp for gear work
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A good friend of mine thinks they may have tightened the pinion to much leading to the cooked pinion. The ring and pinion both have significant wear to the teeth which is really really really premature since they're only 2 mo old .
But of course this can be explained by exploding debris from the spiders
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Update: never made contact with with the next contact. Called 8 times and eventually just left a message. So far no response but I'll call back tomorrow and see if I can get through
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That's why you never go to 4wp for gear work
That is really the best advice ..... they screwed something up but it is a hard one to prove.
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That's really not any help guys .. Looking for advice on what to do.
I'm sorry but I'm shooting for help on this forum not mockery

4wp is the equivalent of shopping at Walmart ... And Who doesn't shop at Walmart
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That's really not any help guys .. Looking for advice on what to do.
I'm sorry but I'm shooting for help on this forum not mockery

4wp is the equivalent of shopping at Walmart ... And Who doesn't shop at Walmart
shopping at Walmart and getting work done at Walmart are completely different.
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That's really not any help guys .. Looking for advice on what to do.
I'm sorry but I'm shooting for help on this forum not mockery

4wp is the equivalent of shopping at Walmart ... And Who doesn't shop at Walmart
But do you trust WalMart to balance your tires or remember to put your drain plug back in? I sure don't. Everytime I've ever been into the same 4wp, there's never the same techs working there. That should tell you something.

4wp always weasels their way out of stuff like that. They screw up, and know that there isn't a way to prove what they did was the problem. They'll always blame it on the way the vehicle was used, non proper break in, lack of maintenance. Ever wonder why the magazines never uses the same one? Pretty sure they get recommended to go to a certain store to make sure nothing gets screwed up. I was google searching one day and came across a guy with a Tacoma that had 4wp do his rear regear. They redid the 3rd member gasket 5 times and it still leaked! If they can screw up a gasket, imagine a gear install
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Hahaha excellent point dealer ..and your right I can't imagine ever going back after this.
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Good luck my friend, keep your head right, and hopefully they do right by you.
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You're more likely to get help if you're polite but firm. Give them the opportunity to fix it. I had a buddy that had a shop to a re-gear there were issues. He told them flat out, I understand mistakes happen we are human all I'm asking you to make it right. Why would I do domething to damage my own vehicle???
Manager was kinda a dick, so he said fine I'll take it to your competitor and if they determine it was your fault my lawyer will come after you and your business for cost of repair and my headaches because of the faulty repair. OR you can fix it and I'll let friends and family know you take care of your customers! Well, Manager fixed it for him. Everyone was happy.
Do a search of that particular shop, excessive complaints? Use that as a "pattern of behavior" to establish their good or bad reputation.
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Ring & pinion jobs are complex and demanding enough that once in a while, even very good techs that are highly experienced at the job get one wrong once in a while. It happened to me after one of the best techs in town did one of my regearings. The installing shop apologized to me and took care of it, no more problems after that.

Give them a chance to make it right and explain that you understand how that particular job can go badly once in a while... that non-confrontational attitude may go a long ways towards a painless fix. I'd probably just get it to the store somehow and just say "fix it" and call me when it's ready.
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Yea I absolutely agree on the approach to the situation. I'm not screaming at anyone and I do understand that these are complicated installs.
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Good luck with it OP, keep us posted.
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Subbed. There are two 4WP stores here in Denver. Curious to see if they stand behind their work.
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Having worked for 4WP's parent company and worked with many of their stores, I personally would not use them to work on my TJ.
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You referring to Transamerica? Man, they have bought out everything, and the more they buy, the crappier their cs and products get.

I contacted them once about the cheap gear packages+install they are always advertise. "$1099+tax f&r gears w/install" First off, after they steadily tacked on fees and extras, it ended up like $1800. Then after doing some research and seeing the horror stories, it didnt seem worth it. Especially considering one of the best local places were loads cheaper, and had no negative reviews. Its pretty sad, growing up I thought they were the go to guys.
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So I sent this letter out this morning to several regional managers

My name is Ryan Gill and I have been a loyal 4Wheel Parts customer for about 8 years. I'm sure I've spent nearly 10k over the past few years as well I bringing in several of my friends.

I have always been more than satisfied with the service that I have received from your company but recently I have been having some serious issues with my local 4Wheel Parts store. I spoke with Rowdy at corporate who is a Senior Tech and after a lengthy conversation he seemed to think I was correct in my interpretation of what really took place. So he suggested that I contact Michelle who would be able to put me in touch with my regional sales manager. After a dozen or so phone calls and messages with no response, I'm coming to you in the hope that you can resolve this issue and keep me as a loyal customer.

About two months ago I had 4Wheel Parts replace my front axels and ring & pinion on my Jeep Rubicon. Two weeks ago I was driving down the road and the front end locked up. When I towed it to the store they pulled the dif cover and showed me that the spider gears in my locker had broken, of course I didn't have the money to put in a new locker so I told them to just put regular gears back in. Two or three days later I called to check on it and they told me they needed to order a new yoke but that the only one available was in Oregon and it would be a week before they could get the part but they would cover the cost. I was happy and I thought they were finally recognizing that I was a valuable customer that they didn't want to lose.

The next week I paid for the fix, got my keys and just out of curiosity I asked for my parts. Chris, a senior sales guy, walked me in the back and casually told me that my pinion was also completely destroyed, this was the first time I heard about it. He described it as super heated, and bent. He also said I was quite lucky because the oil in my diff got so hot it was nearly all burnt up and that I was lucky it didn't catch fire. Which is why I saw smoke coming out of the pinion seal when I pulled over. The treads on the pinion are also destroyed because the outer bearing got so hot it fused itself to the pinion and the tech had to beat it out.

At the time I was just happy it was under warranty so I left.

But over the weekend I started trying to think about how my spider gears breaking would cause my pinion to super heat, turn purple, fuse the bearing to itself, and cook the oil in the diff all in the 10 seconds it took me to pull over when I felt it lock up. The first thing the senior tech at corporate told me was maybe after the gears broke a small chunk of metal got sucked up into the bearing. But as he and I discussed the level of damage to the pinion, premature wear on the ring gear, and the fact that I was driving in a straight line in 2wd, we both agreed that it isn't consistent with the shops conclusion that the spider gears failed causing the pinion to freeze.

I do understand the complexity of this procedure and that even the best ring & pinion guy can make a mistake.

By writing this I am hoping that you will understand that it is 4Wheel Parts responsibility to give me new lockers and to refund the money that I paid to have the regular gears put in. I hope that you will stand behind your teams work. I really am a huge fan of your organization and have always been very happy with the staff and with the service they have provided.



But I cannot accept the way this has been handled. Please help me resolve this issue so that we can continue our long standing relationship. Even if that means putting 4Wheel Parts stickers on my jeep and calling it an advertising expense.
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After I received a phone call from the local manager this is the new email going out tonight to the same guys.

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After the letter I sent out regarding my difficulties here in Jacksonville I received a phone call from my local manager. Quite a charmer he began by attacking me saying I didn't make a dozen phone calls, which in fact I did, I made them to Michele as stated in the letter previously mentioned. He then informed me that my diff was full of water which was witnessed by three people. Impossible since I'm the only one who drives it and it certainly wasn't anywhere near the water after the initial install. He politely called me a liar.

After that I could see the conversation wasn't going to end quite as I would have liked but I hung in there long enough that he could educate me on how buisness savy he was and how how he can't simply give me a new locker because that not business smart.

The problem with that logic is now that I'm not a happy customer I won't be spending anymore money at your stores. Take for instance the $5,000.00 order I currently have pending in your system, canceled. Or the tires I will need come tax time $2500.00, not going to happen. Keeping me happy would of cost $1250.00 and now it's going to cost you $7,500.00. Of course lets not for get about all the free publicity from me bragging about how great 4wp's is. But I guess I'm just not as business savy as your manager here in Jacksonville who believes in alternative sources of income bedsides the customers.
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if you need gear work in the Denver area go to Western Drivetrain around Colfax and Chambers area. Very good shop.
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After I received a phone call from the local manager this is the new email going out tonight to the same guys.

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After the letter I sent out regarding my difficulties here in Jacksonville I received a phone call from my local manager. Quite a charmer he began by attacking me saying I didn't make a dozen phone calls, which in fact I did, I made them to Michele as stated in the letter previously mentioned. He then informed me that my diff was full of water which was witnessed by three people. Impossible since I'm the only one who drives it and it certainly wasn't anywhere near the water after the initial install. He politely called me a liar.

After that I could see the conversation wasn't going to end quite as I would have liked but I hung in there long enough that he could educate me on how buisness savy he was and how how he can't simply give me a new locker because that not business smart.

The problem with that logic is now that I'm not a happy customer I won't be spending anymore money at your stores. Take for instance the $5,000.00 order I currently have pending in your system, canceled. Or the tires I will need come tax time $2500.00, not going to happen. Keeping me happy would of cost $1250.00 and now it's going to cost you $7,500.00. Of course lets not for get about all the free publicity from me bragging about how great 4wp's is. But I guess I'm just not as business savy as your manager here in Jacksonville who believes in alternative sources of income bedsides the customers.
Maybe you should bring up that this story is already being shared with the 4x4 community, and how if they fail to make things right, we will all know.
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Maybe you should bring up that this story is already being shared with the 4x4 community, and how if they fail to make things right, we will all know.
Yea couldn't hurt
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After I received a phone call from the local manager this is the new email going out tonight to the same guys.

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After the letter I sent out regarding my difficulties here in Jacksonville I received a phone call from my local manager. Quite a charmer he began by attacking me saying I didn't make a dozen phone calls, which in fact I did, I made them to Michele as stated in the letter previously mentioned. He then informed me that my diff was full of water which was witnessed by three people. Impossible since I'm the only one who drives it and it certainly wasn't anywhere near the water after the initial install. He politely called me a liar.

After that I could see the conversation wasn't going to end quite as I would have liked but I hung in there long enough that he could educate me on how buisness savy he was and how how he can't simply give me a new locker because that not business smart.

The problem with that logic is now that I'm not a happy customer I won't be spending anymore money at your stores. Take for instance the $5,000.00 order I currently have pending in your system, canceled. Or the tires I will need come tax time $2500.00, not going to happen. Keeping me happy would of cost $1250.00 and now it's going to cost you $7,500.00. Of course lets not for get about all the free publicity from me bragging about how great 4wp's is. But I guess I'm just not as business savy as your manager here in Jacksonville who believes in alternative sources of income bedsides the customers.
That is the same style I saw Transamerica (owns 4WP, ProComp, etc.) owner Greg Adler managing with during my fortunately only very occasional meetings in their Compton HQ. Confrontational, crude, angry, and profanity-laced screaming in meetings. Not only in my meetings, but I could overhear him doing the same thing (screaming profanities) in other meetings om adjoining conference rooms. I didn't like being around him, that was for sure and senior managerial styles tend to roll downhill. I don't think Greg is anything but bottom-line oriented, he sure doesn't seem to care much about his customers from problems I tried to get handled.
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That is the same style I saw Transamerica (owns 4WP, ProComp, etc.) owner Greg Adler managing with during my fortunately only very occasional meetings in their Compton HQ. Not only in my meetings, but I could hear him doing the same thing in adjoining conference rooms in other meetings.. Confrontational, crude, angry, and profanity-laced screaming in meetings. Managerial styles tend to roll downhill. I don't think Greg is anything but bottom-line oriented, he sure doesn't seem to care much about his customers from problems I tried to get handled.
That was my next plan of attack. but I guess it want do any good if he doesn't care.

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