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Old 10-28-2012, 08:40 PM
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H4 conversion....

I'm wondering if I switch to the hella e-code headlights I know there's a new harness I can buy but do I have to buy it?
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You don't have to buy the harness. I didn't when I did the H4 conversion but eventually will when I buy bulbs with higher wattage.

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it depends on the watts of the bulb you want to use i don't know what the e codes come with. the vision x ones i got i put the 55/60 watt witch is same as stock and you don't need a harness
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I was thinking 100w for a bright light, I also have 100w KC daylighters by the windshield but I have to re wire the guy who did it hacked the wire to hell and hella ff500 fog lights on the bumper
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you will need the upgraded harness for 100s
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If you put in Hella e code housing without changing the bulbs would it be brighter or just a different pattern?
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I'm wondering if I switch to the hella e-code headlights I know there's a new harness I can buy but do I have to buy it?

You don't have to but you should. If you're going through the trouble of converting to an H4, do the harness (not much money) so that you get the full potential of the new lighting.


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If you put in Hella e code housing without changing the bulbs would it be brighter or just a different pattern?

The E-codes convert your headlights from POS oem sealed beam (non-replaceable bulb) to an H4 housing (replaceable bulb). The E-code housings improve the beam pattern with a distinct verticle cutoff that enables you to run higher wattage bulbs without blinding oncoming traffic.
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Standard H4's in the Hella E-Codes are so much brighter than the POS sealed beams. I love my E-Codes.
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You don't have to but you should. If you're going through the trouble of converting to an H4, do the harness (not much money) so that you get the full potential of the new lighting.

The E-codes convert your headlights from POS oem sealed beam (non-replaceable bulb) to an H4 housing (replaceable bulb). The E-code housings improve the beam pattern with a distinct verticle cutoff that enables you to run higher wattage bulbs without blinding oncoming traffic.
The harness I found was like 87 bucks and 86 for the e-code kit, that sound right?
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The harness I found was like 87 bucks and 86 for the e-code kit, that sound right?
Can u post links?
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What's a good h4 bulb to use with hella e codes?
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I use the Hella HL78159 100/80w bulb WITH a relay and heavy duty 14g wiring.
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Susquehanna MotorSports - Auto Performance Product

I use the Hella HL78159 100/80w bulb WITH a relay and heavy duty 14g wiring.
Just over $8 seems cheap for a headlight bulb? Is that right?
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Susquehanna MotorSports - Auto Performance Product headlights and the harness i need?
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The harness I found was like 87 bucks and 86 for the e-code kit, that sound right?

I got my lighting setup from Daniel Stern but I've read posts about the PUTCO 230004HW harness for ~$30. The housings are the same price as Quadratec.
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What's a good h4 bulb to use with hella e codes?

You probably need to decide for yourself on a good compromise between performance and lifespan. I bought a few of the Osram 70/65W +50 H4 bulbs for ~$20 ea.
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I got my lighting setup from Daniel Stern but I've read posts about the PUTCO 230004HW harness for ~$30. The housings are the same price as Quadratec.
Where did you find that harness at or how do I get the Daniel stern setup?
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Where did you find that harness at

I cannot vouch for the quality (there are some poor reviews regarding the relays/connectors) but Google shows the PUTCO 230004HW available at amazon for $27.00 shipped.


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or how do I get the Daniel stern setup?

Google danielsternlighting. He has an email link where you can send him what vehicle you have and what you're looking for and he'll give you some suggestions. The setup he recommends: Cibie housings, Osram or Narva bulbs and his harness kit (doesn't include the wire but has quality bosch relays and connectors) is going to be more expensive. The Hella housings, a Putco harness and Osram bulbs are going to be ~$100 less.
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I cannot vouch for the quality (there are some poor reviews regarding the relays/connectors) but Google shows the PUTCO 230004HW available at amazon for $27.00 shipped.

Google danielsternlighting. He has an email link where you can send him what vehicle you have and what you're looking for and he'll give you some suggestions. The setup he recommends: Cibie housings, Osram or Narva bulbs and his harness kit (doesn't include the wire but has quality bosch relays and connectors) is going to be more expensive. The Hella housings, a Putco harness and Osram bulbs are going to be ~$100 less.
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Bit of an old thread but I'm wanting to do the H4 conversion. I thought about buying a kit to do it but thought I'd piece it together with IPF housings and some other bulbs, not sure which. But a couple questions. Our stock lights use the H4 connector correct, that's the JK's that use the H13? Also, how about an updated list of decent harnesses for the lights, if I choose to go to a 100w bulb. Thanks
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yes, the factory harness fits the h4 bulb.

personally, i stick to the 55w/60w bulbs as they tend to last a lot longer, are legal, and shine just about as much light as the 75w/80w bulbs i originally had and had to replace after only a few months
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yes, the factory harness fits the h4 bulb.

personally, i stick to the 55w/60w bulbs as they tend to last a lot longer, are legal, and shine just about as much light as the 75w/80w bulbs i originally had and had to replace after only a few months


Sweet. Thanks man. Did you swap out for the upgraded harness anyways? Some have said it allows better flow for the current or whichever which will make a 55/60 be even brighter.


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i did, i went with the cheap $30 harness on amazon as there werent many options out when i did it. harness and relays are still working very well. paid double for a daniel stern harness in the gf's TJ.

as to whether or not you need a new harness will depend on the oem harness. if you are getting a bit over 14v at the bulb with the oem harness then there is no need to upgrade. i was only getting about over 12v on both jeeps, so the harness went in
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I went with the Hella e-code housings (I have had experience with e-code lights before and they are much better than the U.S. standard). The kit I got had two housing and two standard Hella H83140101 55/60 watt bulbs. The best that I can say about the bulbs is that they are better than the Warner OEM sealed beams.

During the installation, I dropped one bulb and there went the low beam. So, since I had to replace one bulb anyway, I went with the Osram Nitebreaker 55/60 watt bulbs. What a difference. Same wattage, same pattern (installed in the same housings) but it is a whiter and therefore brighter light without higher wattage. Everyone preaches more wattage, but that isn't always the key.

Like accuracy in a rifle, adding more powder to the shell may gain faster speed, but not more accuracy. Changing the powder might. (I used to shoot bench rest).

Here is the Hella kit: http://www.amazon.com/HELLA-00239580...ilpage_o03_s00

Here are the bulbs: http://www.amazon.com/OSRAM-Night-Br...ilpage_o02_s00

No special wiring, no adapters.

Changing the headlights in a TJ is a pain. Removing the bezel is easy, but then unless you have skinny fingers or a screw sticker, it get to be fun. But, once you have the new housings in, you can change bulbs from the rear.

For those who have never used e-code lights before, on low beam the beams have a flat top with an angle up on the right side. This puts more light down on the road and less up in the air and in the eyes of the oncoming drivers.
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I went with the Hella e-code housings (I have had experience with e-code lights before and they are much better than the U.S. standard). The kit I got had two housing and two standard Hella H83140101 55/60 watt bulbs. The best that I can say about the bulbs is that they are better than the Warner OEM sealed beams.

During the installation, I dropped one bulb and there went the low beam. So, since I had to replace one bulb anyway, I went with the Osram Nitebreaker 55/60 watt bulbs. What a difference. Same wattage, same pattern (installed in the same housings) but it is a whiter and therefore brighter light without higher wattage. Everyone preaches more wattage, but that isn't always the key.

Like accuracy in a rifle, adding more powder to the shell may gain faster speed, but not more accuracy. Changing the powder might. (I used to shoot bench rest).

Here is the Hella kit: http://www.amazon.com/HELLA-00239580...ilpage_o03_s00

Here are the bulbs: http://www.amazon.com/OSRAM-Night-Br...ilpage_o02_s00

No special wiring, no adapters.

Changing the headlights in a TJ is a pain. Removing the bezel is easy, but then unless you have skinny fingers or a screw sticker, it get to be fun. But, once you have the new housings in, you can change bulbs from the rear.

For those who have never used e-code lights before, on low beam the beams have a flat top with an angle up on the right side. This puts more light down on the road and less up in the air and in the eyes of the oncoming drivers.


I was going to go with ecodes originally, but they aren't DOT approved and I'm not sure as to how picky the mechanics in my area are for the annual inspections.


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Here are Hella SAE/DOT spec housings. I do not know if they have the flat topped beam or not. FWIW - SAE stands for Society of American Engineers.

http://www.amazon.com/HELLA-00239599...omotive&sr=1-3

If you go that way, let us know if they have the flat topped beam on low beams.
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E-Code H4 Headlights - Pair

E-Code housings for $35, Flosser bulbs for $2.39 ea, Putco harness for $30 on Amazon. ~$70 all in, been working nice for a couple years now.
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I was going to go with ecodes originally, but they aren't DOT approved and I'm not sure as to how picky the mechanics in my area are for the annual inspections.
Just keep the sealed beams and swap them back in once a year for your inspection. E-codes are worth the 30 minutes it'll take you to swap.
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just keep the sealed beams and swap then back in once a year for your inspection


Ya know I didn't really think about that. If that's the case, which H4 housings seem to be the best, or are they are relatively the same? The ecodes still seem nice but I doubt I'd stick with the bulbs that they come with so maybe I could save some money and get housings only


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Ya know I didn't really think about that. If that's the case, which H4 housings seem to be the best, or are they are relatively the same? The ecodes still seem nice but I doubt I'd stick with the bulbs that they come with so maybe I could save some money and get housings only
From what I've read Cibie have the best beam pattern and they're what I went with but some are happy with Hellas or others. Cibie housings are available on Amazon for ~$47/ea (not much more than Hellas). The Cibie housings don't come with bulbs but you can get some basic 60/55w Hella bulbs for less than $20 or buy better Osram bulbs for $40.

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