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Old 05-11-2009, 04:49 PM
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I was thinking of replacing my stock headlights because they are really dim. I want something brighter. I have been looking on Jeep Parts, Jeep Accessories & Jeep Soft Tops From The Jeep Parts Experts - Quadratec for different options.

What do you think I should do?

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i have the delta kit with the hyper white xenon bulbs. they are worth every penny.

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i have the delta kit with the hyper white xenon bulbs. they are worth every penny.
ive been thinking of upgrading my driving lights....

that delta kit is about $80 right..... for each light? am i thinking of the same one?
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i bought the rampage conversion from qudratec for 100$ and was the best thing i have done in awhile...lol
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I went the cheapo route, and got the Sylvania Silverstar replacement lights. I think they were 20 bucks/light.... I actually noticed a pretty decent difference in light output.
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X2^. I went the cheap route with the silverstars too. While they are much better than stock, I should have gone a different route.
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^ really? ive heard that unless you replace the actual wires to a larger gauge, you wont see any difference?

true or not ?
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i also have the silverstars they are excellent for the price only paid 10 dollars a piece
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I run Delta Quads I hated them with the xenon lamps. I changed the lamps to Silverstars and readjusted them and I like them now

I hear a lot of people like IPF lenses and silverstars too
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I went the cheapo route, and got the Sylvania Silverstar replacement lights. I think they were 20 bucks/light.... I actually noticed a pretty decent difference in light output.
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^ really? ive heard that unless you replace the actual wires to a larger gauge, you wont see any difference?

true or not ?
^^I did the same thing. There is a big difference.

IPF housings and Fatboy bulbs are the way to go though.
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4point:

so what gauge wires should one use ?

or were you saying that you only upgraded the lights and not the wires and noticed the big difference?
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I did lights only. No wiring up grade.

Now the lights that were in it could have been original. All I know is they were crappy and light output was terrible.
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I went the cheapo route, and got the Sylvania Silverstar replacement lights. I think they were 20 bucks/light.... I actually noticed a pretty decent difference in light output.
same here. I think they are better then the HID conversion in my wifes car
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Upgraded Lights to Xenon, Still Dim!!

I upgraded my headlights to xenon sealed halos. My stock headlights seemed really dim. I am not seeing much improvement with the new setup. Had the battery and charging system tested, both checked out ok. Could it be a grounding/voltage/amperage issue?

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Truck-lite's are awesome! Well worth the money!
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Just installed my Trucklites a few hours ago. The difference is night and day... Literally lol
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so what gauge wires should one use ?

or were you saying that you only upgraded the lights and not the wires and noticed the big difference?
Google Daniel Stern Lighting and check out the article concerning voltage drop as it affects light output. Very interesting reading. I built a custom harness with relays after reading the article, best bang for your buck.
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so what gauge wires should one use ?

or were you saying that you only upgraded the lights and not the wires and noticed the big difference?
wiring upgrade is only needed if your current wiring harness is lower than it should be. IIRC, my oem setup was ~12.5v at the socket and after an new harness, it was ~14v.

i did it at the same time as a bosch e code h4 conversion. best $150 i spent on my jeep. others, mostly in nicer climates, have reported ~14v off the oem harness, so going to a larger gauge harness would not be necessary
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Exactly as stated in the post above. Either go with the really expensive conversions from JW Speaker, the LED's, or go with the H4 conversions and a wiring harness. Anything else is work you'll have to redo. An HID version is also possible, but you'll need to send or buy buckets that can be taken apart (not glass) so you can or let Jeff at midwestlightbiz.com build them...about $300.00

With the H4 buckets, you have a choice of Bosch, Cibie or Hella. IPF and that stuff are not as good. I don't know anything about some of the other brands listed. The three named choices have been building Euro code lights since the fifties and have the best experience. Of those you can buy the Cibie buckets most reasonably on Amazon and most expensive on the Daniel Stern website. They are the best in terms of light output. Next would be the Hella's and then the Bosch. Bosch buckets are best bought at Bus Depot. Best price there. Hella can be sourced at Rallyelights.com. But don't go with the DOT version. You'll be back where you started.

Get a good bulb like the Osrams or silverstars. The wiring harness can be sourced at Rallyelights (Susquehanna Motorsports) or you can build your own with relays. Its the increased wiring and relays that make the difference instead of all the juice coming through the switch.
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Here's a discussion on a very good modification:
Cibie H4 Housing Parts & Install Headlight Upgrade

A few notes on the thread. This was in the JK section so he needed to convert from the H13 plug to the H4 plug, but you will not need the $20 conversion cables.

Second: The Hella bulbs are standard color bulbs. By that I mean the color spectrum is about where all the standard bulbs are, white but with a yellowish cast.

Third: Skip over all the part about taking your grill off, you can't. But after the conversion you can change the bulbs from behind the headlights, the JKs cannot, they have to remove the grill to even change the separate bulb the engine compartment is so full.

I used the Hella bulbs to start, and while the lights were better than the original (they were 13 year old sealed beams) on my Rubicon, they weren't what I was expecting. I got the Hella e-code housings because it did not say in the Cibie description that they were flat topped beams on low beams. They are. The flat topped beam on low beam is the e-code or European standard and it throws more light down on the road. I first used them on a '66 TR-4A (in 1966), but the bulbs were not as good then, but they were better than the sealed beams.

I replaced my Hella bulbs with the Osram Nitebreaker bulbs and it was the difference between night and day. They draw the same current as the standard sealed beams you now have, the color spectrum is better for the lights.
Amazon.com: OSRAM - Night Breaker Unlimited H4 Super White Halogen (Pair): Automotive

When you follow the link to Amazon, the page also may show he Cibie housings and the image is misleading. As you can see in the first actual photo on the linked thread, they are very clear, but the Amazon image makes it appear as if they have an orange tint - they do not.

You should also check the voltage at the headlight plug which you can do by pulling the plug off slightly and comparing the voltage at the light (the center top lug is the ground) compared to the voltage at the battery. If there is a significant drop, you can bypass the original wiring with a new relay harness designed for the high output lights that draws the current straight from the battery. Here is the link to one should you need it. Most run in the $35-$50 range, but this one claims it is good for 80Amps (that's 960 watts of lighting).
http://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Rela...+H4+headlights
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The Hella E-code made a world of difference on my2000 tj. I'm using the standard bulb that came with the lights. I would say it's almost twice as good a stock. The beam pattern is much better than DOT

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