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Old 03-26-2014, 01:29 AM   #1
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Help!!

I'm getting crazy frustrated tryin to get the output shaft into the pilot bearing in the camshaft hole. I can't tell if it's in but if it was I'm sure the flywheel would move far enough behind the inspection plate that I could tighten all the screws up.

I've got an engine hoist and a hydraulic 3 ton jack underneath engine to support it?

The tranny is 3/4 of the way over the pressure plate the bottom of the flywheel stick sticks out if the there no support under the transmission.

My plan was to take the two big bolts on the sides of trans. and thread them. Once that was done pull the engine forward enough to thread the top two torx ( which mine were stripped so I replaced with 2x3/8 bolts)
Tighten them all up and then mount the engine on it's brackets and cal it a night.

This isn't happening one because the engine is sittin un even and length of screws is just short of where I need them. I know this doable. The blasted thing was designed to fitit.

Someone had to have figured this out?
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:22 AM   #2
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I'm somewhat confused. So the engine isn't mounted? If not get it bolted in. A jack under the engine with a block of wood will allow you to tilt the engine so it's more in line with the tranny so they are at about the same angle. If you've got a transmission jack adjust it to get the angle right. Eventually you'll get it right and will be able to wiggle the tranny a little to help it slide into place. I wouldn't suggest forcing it into place by installing the bellhousing to block bolts-only do that once you've got everything fit back together. Never done this on a jeep but have a couple times on my old ranger. The way that was set up required the block and tranny to be installed at a slight angle. Hope this helps some.

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Old 03-26-2014, 09:01 AM   #3
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No the engine isn't bolted in. That was the issue I'm having. I want to bolt it in but can't because input shaft stops me from going back any further (towards the cabin)

Im gonna pick up a tranny jack today or the adapter for hydraulic.

Think I was getting greedy and hoping to pull engine forward to tighten up top two bolts and then move it back without having to use 3 foot extensions lol.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:58 AM   #4
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First the pilot bearing or bushing is in the crankshaft not the cam shaft

Next it is very difficult to stab an engine onto a tranny easier to line a tranny up with a mounted engine

Also you must not pull it closed with bolts as the system is not designed for any axial load you have to wiggle it home

You can use long bolts bell to engine as alignment pins to keep it lined up as you wiggle it home BUT DO NOT EVER pull the tranny and engine together under tightening bolt power it has to slide on freely or you will likely do serious damage

You did make sure the clutch disc was centered with the proper alignment tool when tightening down the pressure plate right.

Sometimes you have to have the tranny (and TC is still attached) in gear and turn the output to spin the tranny input shaft a little to get the splines to line up on tranny input shaft and clutch disc

Bolt engine solid then wiggle unmounted tranny home
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:15 AM   #5
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&digger84

Thanks for instruction. My buddy said same thing about pulling them together. I was hoping to use the screws as a type of vice. I loosened everything free. Engine is free now over output shaft.

I don't have the alignment tool. All the auto places only sell it in a kit along with clutch pressure plate. I'll look again and see if I can find one.

I'll go ahead and mount the engine when I get home today and then loosen transmission. To wiggle it home.

2 questions to loosen the tranny does the plate that covers the tranf case have to be removed?

And then am what am I looking for when it's done right? The inspection plate will sit flush with transmission and then tighten from there? Any click sounds?

Sorry this is all over the place
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Clutch disk has to be just about dead nuts centerline with centerline of pilot bushing or the input shaft cannot slide home

Buy a plastic one or turn both the ID of disc spline and OD of pilot tip on lathe (can even use a screwdriver handle to turn down to desired diameters or borrow buy a tool like this

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=532622_0_0_

But you have to use one when bolting pressure plate to flywheel or it will never go together
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:39 AM   #7
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This is the long way but will work!
jack stand under tranny near TC skid plate.
remove TC skid.
remove bracket that hold the shift lever in place.
disconnect 4wd lever from TC.
Disconnect wires to be safe.
attach a jack to bottom of tranny with a ratchet strap.
jack the tranny up and slide back a bit.
mount engine.
place a jack stand under oil pan to hold engine in place.
attach tranny to engine.
reconncet tranny and tc
install TC skid plate
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Old 03-26-2014, 12:16 PM   #8
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I see the whole picture now. I didn't know the tranny was still on the skid plate. X2 on the advise given by these guys.
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Old 03-26-2014, 12:22 PM   #9
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I thought that skinny plate bolts on under the starter some how. I just changed a clutch in a yj a couple day ago. I know its a yj but it should be close to what you have here.

The plate on the yj never came off the motor side. The starter was keeping it on. I think you need to look at the plate and see if you dont have it on wrong.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:32 PM   #10
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Definitely thanks guys. Picked up clutch align. Tool from a lil tranny place for 10$.

My bet is when I torqued Down pressure plate the clutch fell out of line with the pilot bearing. About to hoist this baby out and see.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:27 PM   #11
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Yep confirms it got the tool now gonna nip this in the bud
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:31 PM   #12
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It looks like you may have damaged the splines on the center of the disk

I would make sure you can hand slide the clutch disc over the tranny input shaft spline before I bolt the disc and pressure plate back on the flywheel. If the splines are buggered and it wont freely slide over the splines on the tranny shaft you will need a new clutch disc
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It looks like you may have damaged the splines on the center of the disk I would make sure you can hand slide the clutch disc over the tranny input shaft spline before I bolt the disc and pressure plate back on the flywheel. If the splines are buggered and it wont freely slide over the splines on the tranny shaft you will need a new clutch disc
X2 on this. Does not look good. Been there done that to one before. Unfortunately think a new disc will be needed. Unless you can file them down
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:09 PM   #14
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Nah i did the check. That stuff you guys see is actually grease that was on the splines. I did check to make sure it hand slide and cleared off the extra grease to make sure not to contaminate clutch.

I've disconnected skid plate and trying to get collar off now. Looks like mine hasn'tpved in quite a while

Engine mount is next
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:25 PM   #15
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Guys - update.

Got the engine mounted. And clutch lined up. Now trying to get tranny and transfer case back on and mounted.

I disconnected them from the gear shifter and 4x4 connect along with both drive train shafts. so their sitting on 2 jack stands

It's just me- any tips or suggestions to do it?

I've got 4 jack stands a 3ton hydraulic jack and and some motivation to get it done.

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