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Old 03-23-2009, 05:34 PM   #1
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help me please (suspension questions)

i bought a jeep from someone that bought it off someone else...how do i know if i have a suspension lift on the jeep, i am running 35" dick cepeks and i know i have a 3" body lift...i am having a "death wobble" problem and am trying to figure out what was changed, and what needs to be changed, my shocks are also worn out and i need to know the lift to get new ones...i don't trust mechanics and want to purchase the shocks online...PLEASE HELP ME!!! i live in northwest indiana if anyone knows of a trustworthy shop

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Old 03-23-2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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show me some pics.. ill help you out.. also where at in indiana? if your anywhere near kokomo drive down and ill help you find your problem.. there are MANY reasons for death wobble.. when does it occur?

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Old 03-23-2009, 05:39 PM   #3
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were ya at in indiana? I am in Gurnee,IL and you have a couple of guys down your way that will probably help out. I would go OME for shocks. I would also drop the 3in bl.

IF you turn your wheel all the way left or right do they rub? You most likely have a 3in lift on there too. Pics would help out. I am going to be driving down to Attica this weekend well friday around 11am I am leaving so if your on the way I could swing by and look at it. BTW when you do get them let me know. I would rather help a wf member save money then see it go out the window to a shop. You can cover gas and pizza lol
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here are some pics...
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That looks like a solid truck. bring it down to attica this weekend and we can look at it there! campin out for 2 days. starting friday nite til sunday! I am more then willing to wrench friday nite to get it setup for saturday morning!
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:05 PM   #6
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it used to happen just at 45 mph, now it happens anywhere from 20 and up...it's not really bad, but it gets worse and worse everytime i drive it
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thanks for the invite and willingness to help jdhallissey, but the wife said no, maybe another weekend
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haha ohh. Yea willing to help out anytime I am free. The wifey killed all the fun! she could of even came too
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:19 PM   #9
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you still never answered my ?.. where exactly in indiana are you? i dont have a problem driving over to help you fix your problem.. just as long as your not over an hour away =p.. also can you get any pics of the suspension itself.. (coils, shocks, front steering)

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What causes Death Wobble?
Death wobble is typically caused by
A) Out of balance tires or out of round wheels.
B) Loose track bar.
C) Worn front-end joints. (tie rod ends, track bar, ball joints, etc)
D) Bad alignment.
E) Bad caster angle.
F) Bad steering stabilizer.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:31 PM   #10
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I agree with all but 'F' on this...

What causes Death Wobble?
Death wobble is typically caused by
A) Out of balance tires or out of round wheels.
B) Loose track bar.
C) Worn front-end joints. (tie rod ends, track bar, ball joints, etc)
D) Bad alignment.
E) Bad caster angle.
F) Bad steering stabilizer. (not true)

Bad steering stabilizers are never ever (!) the cause of Death Wobble. In fact, removing the steering stabilizer on an otherwise ok Jeep will not cause DW. All the steering stabilizer does where DW is concerned is to help mask/suppress the symptom... it's like covering a skin cancer with a band-aid or trying to hold a gorilla down. That cancer is still there and the gorilla's gonna clobber you as soon as you get tired of holding it down.

DW is normally caused by a combination of things with the two most common that pair up to cause it being imperfectly balanced tires and a loose trackbar. When a trackbar is loose enough to allow DW to develop, it is not normally loose enough that you can move it with your hand. You have to torque its mounting bolts down and even check the passenger-side mounting bolt hole to make sure it's not wallowed out. And to be sure, tires that are only balanced to "good enough" by a tire jock who isn't paid enough to do the job right aren't good enough to prevent DW. Tires, especially when they get bigger, have to be perfectly balanced on a TJ to help keep DW from happening.

If it's not those two items, there are more things to try...
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sorry jerry.. i just copy/pasted from another forum.. i agree with you, i had my steering stabilizer unbolted and drove for 100 miles and it didnt give me any trouble..
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:48 PM   #12
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i live in hobart, in a little over 2 hours away...what do you suggest the best method of balancing tires is?? how about the equal bags? i'll post more pics soon...thanks
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I agree with all but 'F' on this...

What causes Death Wobble?
Death wobble is typically caused by
A) Out of balance tires or out of round wheels.
B) Loose track bar.
C) Worn front-end joints. (tie rod ends, track bar, ball joints, etc)
D) Bad alignment.
E) Bad caster angle.
F) Bad steering stabilizer. (not true)

Bad steering stabilizers are never ever (!) the cause of Death Wobble. In fact, removing the steering stabilizer on an otherwise ok Jeep will not cause DW. All the steering stabilizer does where DW is concerned is to help mask/suppress the symptom... it's like covering a skin cancer with a band-aid or trying to hold a gorilla down. That cancer is still there and the gorilla's gonna clobber you as soon as you get tired of holding it down.

DW is normally caused by a combination of things with the two most common that pair up to cause it being imperfectly balanced tires and a loose trackbar. When a trackbar is loose enough to allow DW to develop, it is not normally loose enough that you can move it with your hand. You have to torque its mounting bolts down and even check the passenger-side mounting bolt hole to make sure it's not wallowed out. And to be sure, tires that are only balanced to "good enough" by a tire jock who isn't paid enough to do the job right aren't good enough to prevent DW. Tires, especially when they get bigger, have to be perfectly balanced on a TJ to help keep DW from happening.

If it's not those two items, there are more things to try...
Gotta disagree with this as my DW was solved with a new steering stabilizer, its an XJ though.
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Gotta disagree with this as my DW was solved with a new steering stabilizer, its an XJ though.
Not true. Your DW was not solved with a new steering stabilizer. It covered up your problem. With your front end being out of whack in some manner I'd bet you will get DW again within 6 months when you wear out that stabilizer.
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Gotta disagree with this as my DW was solved with a new steering stabilizer, its an XJ though.


WAY different steering set-up there buddy...
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lol jack.. double postin huh?
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WAY different steering set-up there buddy...
Not really. XJ's and TJ's have pretty much the exact same front end with only a couple differences. Some XJ's have a high pinion D30 and some also had a front disconnect housing. Otherwise, all XJ D30 brackets and control arms are the same as on the TJ. It's actually a pretty popular swap for TJ guys to go the HP non-disconnect version of the XJ housing.

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lol jack.. double postin huh?
Hell, I don't know how that happened. My connection must've hung up.
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i got a hp30 from a xj under my tj.. matches perfectly =D

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