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Old 07-18-2010, 04:49 PM   #1
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HELP needed, wheel moving side to side

I found where the clung noise was coming from... both rear wheel are moving side to side, the right side beeing the worst (check the video)
I need your help telling me what would be the problem, how much $$ we're talking about, is it something that I can do myself etc etc....


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Old 07-18-2010, 04:50 PM   #2
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only red X ?...

maybe this

<a href="http://s557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/Lolosama/JEEP/?action=view&current=VIDEO_005.mp4" target="_blank"><img src="http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/Lolosama/JEEP/th_VIDEO_005.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" style="width: 160px;"></a>

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Old 07-18-2010, 04:59 PM   #4
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Have you checked the tightness of your lug nuts?....or is the sound coming from inside the hub? Hard to tell from the vid
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:02 PM   #5
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it seems to come from the inside
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Holy thats not good! Looks as if your centre pin (pinion gear mate shaft) & or C clips in your differential carrier is worn out. I wouldn't drive it if I were you. I'm going to take a guess that you have a Dana 35c rear axle so one of the worst things that can happen is the c-clips that hold your axleshafts in the carrier/diff will fall off and your axle shafts will walk out of the axle! Take off the diff cover and do the same thing as you did in the video and you'll see what I mean. Don't worry its an easy repair as long as you haven't driven on it like that for a long period of time.
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:12 PM   #7
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I dont know what axle I have, the jeep is a 98 4 banger manual trans...
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:16 PM   #8
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You have a d35c
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:19 PM   #9
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ok, I'll go and take a look.. thx, I'll let you know what I found, I'll take a vid.
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I am guessing, but it could be axle bearings, I had one go & the wheel moved quiet a bit when I jacked it up. If thats the case it isn't a fortune to fix & you can do it yourself if you are a little mechanically minded. Seems weird to have them both go unless it has been driven around like it for some time after the first one went
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:24 PM   #11
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ok you can do that to almost every diff the axles are held in with c clips the end of the axle is machined with a notch you need to pull your diff cover and check the axle ends for excessive ware and also check the carrier and c clips build alot of diffs in this area
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If I'm getting what's going on in that video, and it's not easy, that in-out clunk I'm hearing is normal for a Dana 35c axle. The wheel can be moved in-out due to the Dana 35c's c-cip design. The axle shaft has be able to be pushed inward to gain access to the c-clip inside the differential that holds the axle shaft in place. Pushing the axle inward pushes the c-clip at the differential-side of the axle shaft out of a recess inside the carrier so you can grab it with a magnet or needle nose pliers which releases the axle shaft from the housing.

You can often also hear that clunking driving over curbs or during slow-turns up into a driveway. So if you were to ask me, as bad as it sounds, it sounds and looks perfectly normal to me.
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:26 PM   #13
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ok here is the vid, the big pin is moving a bit and the "shaft" is moving a bit too.
sorry the vid is not great is from my phone


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Old 07-18-2010, 06:28 PM   #14
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the noise you hear is my son moving the wheel in and out
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:30 PM   #15
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So if you were to ask me, as bad as it sounds, it sounds and looks perfectly normal to me.
that would be great !!!!
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here the # on the cover
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Good thing we have someone on here like Jerry to help, I am just a little bit mechanical so don't really know & I am sure he is right
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so, you think everything is cool ? if it is, which fluid should I use for the diff and also which sealant to put on the cover ? on the cover it's a gray color sealant, and on the cover's bolt its a red one (no...not the red loctite LOL )
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Show a pic of the entire differential cover and its shape, not a closeup of its lettering. That way we can confirm if it is a Dana 35c axle that will make that kind of noise when you push-pull on the wheel or axle shaft.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:36 AM   #20
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ok ! give me 10 minutes to go to the storage and back !!
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:49 AM   #21
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here you go !!

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Old 07-19-2010, 09:51 AM   #22
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it'sa oily because I "cleaned"it with a rag that had oil on , but the cover was dry. and of course the some of the bolts are not back on yet
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Yep that is a Dana 35c axle, you can tell by the diff cover's perfectly oval shape and its black plastic snap-in differential fill hole cover.
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I also didn't see anything out of wack in the video that would make me worry. As jerry said, normal for that axle.
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ok great and thanks !!! now I need to put it back , which fluid and gasket I need to use ?
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No need for a gasket, use RTV to seal it. Permatex Ultra-Black RTV (like silicone but black) is a good choice. Run a 1/8" bead all the way around the cover and circle the bolt holes with the RTV as well. Do NOT overtighten the cover bolts as that will just squeeze out too much of the RTV and cause it to leak. Use a 3/8" ratchet drive with a 1/2" socket or a small 1/2" open-end wrench to get each of the bolts evenly tightened to where they are only pretty snug.

The exact viscosity gear lube is not important so long as it is a GL-5 gear lube. Do you know if your rear axle has the factory Tracloc limited slip differential. And do you ever tow a trailer with your TJ?
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No need for a gasket, use RTV to seal it. Permatex Ultra-Black RTV (like silicone but black) is a good choice. Run a 1/8" bead all the way around the cover and circle the bolt holes with the RTV as well. Do NOT overtighten the cover as that will just squeeze out too much of the RTV and cause it to leak. Use a 3/8" ratchet drive with a 1/2" socket or a small 1/2" open-end wrench to get each of the bolts evenly tightened to where they are only pretty snug.

The exact viscosity gear lube is not important so long as it is a GL-5 gear lube. Do you know if your rear axle has the factory Tracloc limited slip differential. And do you ever tow a trailer with your TJ?

no , I dont know for the tracloc and I dont have a tow hitch nor a trailer lol
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Well, then you'll be safe with a synthetic 75W-90 or so GL-5 gear lube like from Valvoline that will have the additive the Tracloc requires, just in case you have it. Most GL-5 gear lubes already have the additive required by the Tracloc and the additive's presence doesn't cause any problem for if you don't have the Tracloc limited slip differential.

The presence of the additive will be indicated on the back label if it says something like "compatible with limited slip differentials" or similar. Most GL-5 gear lubes have the additive and will say that on the back label.

The exact viscosity is not crucial... 70W-80, 75W-90, 80W-120, 80W-140, etc. is fine but for your hot conditions, I might tend to stay on the higher side than on the lower side of viscosities.
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thanks for the infos !!! if you ever come to vegas let me know, I own you one !!

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