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Old 11-26-2013, 12:43 AM   #1
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Howling noise from TJ

So i have this awful howling noise that only seems to happen on a cold day (dry most of the time). it happens at all rpms driving stoped until running the motor for a little bit (1-15 min) it changes tone withing rpm's so i think its a pully although ive sprayed WD-40 in all the bearings and still cant seem to get it to stop. I took the belt off with a fellow jeeper and we were turning all the pully's by hand with no obvious signs of wear. I have no clue whats going on! it's a 4.0 auto 2002 tj this noise has happened around every winter ive owned it (3 years).

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Old 11-26-2013, 01:12 AM   #2
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Idler pulley. In the winter it's dryer. Your Jeep is 11+ years old. $20 part. It might be something else that someone else might chime in with, but I'd start with that. Cheap fix.

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Hey.

Take the belt off and fire it up for a few seconds... noise gone?? or noise still there?

Waterpump does not turn, so only a few seconds of running pls.

May be the Alternator, but not a bearing... internal issue, cold day means the alt is working harder initially?

Try the belt thing above to see if i the noise is indeed in the acc driven by the belt?

If the noise is belt drive related, try warming up the Jeep, run it etc until the noise goes away, then at idle turn on every electrical acc it has, wipers on high, heater on high, lights on highbeam, 4 way flashers on, rear wiper on, rear window defrost on, w/s washer washing, stereo etc and see if the noise comes back??

If it does, alt is to blame in some way, or the belt etc

Let me know how u make out?

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Old 11-26-2013, 06:28 PM   #4
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Hey.

Take the belt off and fire it up for a few seconds... noise gone?? or noise still there?

Waterpump does not turn, so only a few seconds of running pls.

May be the Alternator, but not a bearing... internal issue, cold day means the alt is working harder initially?

Try the belt thing above to see if i the noise is indeed in the acc driven by the belt?

If the noise is belt drive related, try warming up the Jeep, run it etc until the noise goes away, then at idle turn on every electrical acc it has, wipers on high, heater on high, lights on highbeam, 4 way flashers on, rear wiper on, rear window defrost on, w/s washer washing, stereo etc and see if the noise comes back??

If it does, alt is to blame in some way, or the belt etc

Let me know how u make out?

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I will try to put the altenator under max load but the noise isnt constant the only thing that ties it together is it mostly happens in the cold if i shut it off remove the belt it may not happen on start up its random =[
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:42 PM   #5
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Sounds like belt is slipping this is typical as a cold belt is stiffer

A bearing noise will not go away after a few minutes but a belt squeal often will

If you have an early tj with manual belt tension make sure adjustment is adequately tight but do not over do tension or bearings can be damaged
If newer with spring loaded auto tension just go straight to new belt

Never use wd40 on a belt or bearing it only contaminates the belt and washes out proper bearing lube

It has only 3 uses in a shop
1) a solvent to wipe away grime and grease and displace water
2) a cutting fluid when machining aluminum
3) the spray from the arisol can when exposed to a match or open flame makes a small flame thrower to use to rid your shop of wasp nests by burning wings and rendering them flightless

Don't use it as a lube it only gums things up after a time

Replace belt after cleaning Pullies and insure adequate tension and unless oil or water is leaking onto belt start up squeal will be vanquished
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:21 PM   #6
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3) the spray from the arisol can when exposed to a match or open flame makes a small flame thrower to use to rid your shop of wasp nests by burning wings and rendering them flightless
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:58 PM   #7
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lol ya'll are crazy, Tried the full load test and nada no change I'm about to start replacing parts until i find it =(
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Remove belt and clean all pulleys with something to remove all oils and wd40 residue

REPLACE WITH NEW BELT and tension properly

Should fix the problem

The funny part of the wasp story was a guy who was under the mud dobber nest burning them out without his top collar button buttoned. One of the newly wingless bastards fell inside his shirt and before he could safely drop the gas rag tipped touch and remove his shirt he got
10 or more love bites from his flightless friend

Bees only one sting per critter but those damn yellow jackets each can do many hits
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:41 PM   #9
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just replaced the dam belt a couple months ago but i will replace the tensioner pully first
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Well your belt is squealing that leaves three possibilities

1 glazed or contaminated belt that needs to be replaced

2 crap on pulleys like wd40 oil antifreeze freeze ect would require cleaning plus new clean belt and not spraying spilling crap and fix any leaks

3 inadequate tension

Yes increased load from alt would make slipping worse but squeal when cold is belt

The good news is squeal hurts nothing and if only briefly when cold you can just ignore or wear it as a badge of misuse of wd40 shame
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:07 PM   #11
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did you check the fan clutch ,when it gets cold the clutch does not release and the fan will howl.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:03 AM   #12
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Well your belt is squealing that leaves three possibilities

1 glazed or contaminated belt that needs to be replaced

2 crap on pulleys like wd40 oil antifreeze freeze ect would require cleaning plus new clean belt and not spraying spilling crap and fix any leaks

3 inadequate tension

Yes increased load from alt would make slipping worse but squeal when cold is belt

The good news is squeal hurts nothing and if only briefly when cold you can just ignore or wear it as a badge of misuse of wd40 shame
Im going to attempt to check this out today although wd40 hasn't made anything better or worse.
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did you check the fan clutch ,when it gets cold the clutch does not release and the fan will howl.
how do you check this?
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Did you figure out what was causing the howl? I'm having this problem this year with the weather starting to get cold and its the exact same situation that you were in.

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did you check the distributor? mine was like that was the bushing in the distributor
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Did you figure out what was causing the howl? I'm having this problem this year with the weather starting to get cold and its the exact same situation that you were in.

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There has been several recent posts on this in the last few days. When your motor is idleing, pour some water directly to your belt. If the sqealing/howling stops (or changes), then you know the problem it your belt.

It could be that it just needs to be tighten up if you have a manual adjuster.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:41 PM   #18
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Okay thank you. I found out it's the alternator so I'm putting in a new one in a few days.

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It was the idler pully after several years of not knowing what it was. It looks like it was replaced before and put on wrong so i installed a new one and no more noise.
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I have the same issue in the cold. Going to try these ideas. Thanks
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Idler pulley. In the winter it's dryer. Your Jeep is 11+ years old. $20 part. It might be something else that someone else might chime in with, but I'd start with that. Cheap fix.
Applause for the first commenter. Nailed it.
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Engine squeal

I have an 02 tj 6 cyl. I get a whine or squeal at different times. Some times it is at start and once warmed up it goes away. Other time it is at idle. IO have had it checked out and have found nothing as yet, My next check will be the water pump as I see many have had problems with them. But so far like the watch it keeps on ticking.:tomatoes

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