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Old 09-21-2007, 12:09 PM   #31
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Sold mine on craigslist for $650 and it paid for me new lift

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Old 09-21-2007, 12:30 PM   #32
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You got 650 for stock wheels and tires?!?! DAMN!!

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Old 09-21-2007, 12:32 PM   #33
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stock size but were bfg. and wheels were stock.
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:26 PM   #34
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holy crap 650? Hell I take 500 for mine lol
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:15 PM   #35
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Well I just got the Jeep back from a different alignment shop and they think that it is a driveline issue????? Could this be right? So I thought what the hell and ordered the transfer case lowering kit... Does this sound right at all. Is the difference of pinion angles throwing things off that much that I get the DW???????
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No, driveline angles can't cause steering wheel problems. Driveline angles will give you vibration, but not DW. There is a good DW diagnosis thread on here somewhere, let me see if I can find it.
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"Here is the thread: http://www.wranglerforum.com/yj-chat...bble-2532.html

And here is the link in the thread with the info in it!!: http://www.yuccaman.com/jeep/dw.html
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Both good links, I was on my way to getting those when I saw jherrin already posted them. jherrin is correct and you are correct in questioning the shop. DW has nothing to do with vibes. I've been really frustrated with several alignment shops in the past 6 months over mis-diagnosis issues like that. I can't decide if they are just incompetent or lazy. Prob both. Not sure on the alignment shop you chose, but call a reputable local offroad shop and find out where they have their rigs aligned after they install lifts. These shops usually know right where to look and make quick work of it.
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Both good links, I was on my way to getting those when I saw jherrin already posted them. jherrin is correct and you are correct in questioning the shop. DW has nothing to do with vibes. I've been really frustrated with several alignment shops in the past 6 months over mis-diagnosis issues like that. I can't decide if they are just incompetent or lazy. Prob both. Not sure on the alignment shop you chose, but call a reputable local offroad shop and find out where they have their rigs aligned after they install lifts. These shops usually know right where to look and make quick work of it.


Yeah I think that I will try to get ahold of one of the shops in the area. Bad thing is that I live in the heart of Amish country ..... Closest place that will have a reputable 4x4 shop is about a hour away which sucks.... I was just hoping that there is something I could do before I would hit a 3rd shop.. The last time I called RE they said that there is no way that I would need lower control arms with the 2"BB, does that sound right... Sorry if I seem to be beating this DW thread, I'm just really discouraged with the problems... Thanks again guys!!!!!!!!
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I would agree with that. You haven't changed the geometry up enough with a BB to require CA's. IF anything, you may need some cam bolts on the LCA's. That is my next purchase. However, that'll run you about $30-$40 plus labor during the alignment. You may want to go ahead and get you some LCA's ($150-$250) to improve your current situation and have you set for Phase II of your lift down the road.

Although many alignment shops will try to push DW blame toward tires/wheels, there is a lot of truth to it also. First thing I did was have my tires road-force balanced. If they have no idea what your talking about, move on to the next tire shop. Also specifically instructed them to use weights on BOTH sides of the wheel. Many places (Discount, NTB...) often only place weights on the inside of the rim for asthetics. See how that works - I've seen several DW issues resolved at this point with little money spent. Also make sure if you have any tires with any "cupping" on the tread. If so, get those moved to the rear. Lastly, (yes, it sounds dumb, but...) make sure everything up front is fully lubed. I learned this the hard way. Gave the dealer the benefit of the doubt when having my oil/lube done so went several months without checking it. Found out during my DW investigation they hadn't been lubing shit. These are the easy things to get out of the way so when you go to the alignment shop and they say, "you just need your tires balanced", you can promptly tell them all you have done. At that point you may learn how much they know about jeeps and if they are the right shop for you. I've seen and heard of many guys (myself included) with all the same problems, wasted money at the dealership and alignment shops who couldn't fix the problem and kept blaming the tires and all sorts of goofy crap. Then take it to the right off-road shop and they have it fixed with a couple of cam bolts in about 15 minutes. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

Sucks about the Amish surroundings and how far you'll have to go. Maybe they have a good chuckwagon/buggy woodsmith who can whittle you up some nice adjustable LCA's.
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Old 09-24-2007, 05:59 PM   #41
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yeah I got the cam bolts the first alignment and had them put it as far on the low end as you can i think I am at 5.2 where the stock tolerances are 6-8 i believe. Thats why I am so lost as to where to go from here. Maybe the road force balance is the next step
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Sound like that is a good bed. I'm bettin those thornies may be a problem. I have a business aquaintance who is mgr at a Discount Tire. I was exploring getting some new MT's and that I was looking at Swamper, MT, GY, and BFG. He said he could order me anything I wanted but said he has lots of "quality control issues" with the MT's and Swampers and about a 90% "failure" rate on getting a FULL set of fully round tires - saying only about 10% of the time would he get a full set of tires that had no problems being out of round. So that would be my first step to get tires/wheel fully ruled out. I think your suspension should be fine if you have your toe set properly. I'm sure there must be some others on here that have some other suggestions. If you haven't already done so, you ought to read this write up on DW. http://www.yuccaman.com/jeep/dw.html It's really informative.
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:14 PM   #43
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yeah I was reading up on that, its has alot of good info. I think I will get the tires road balanced after I get the lowering kit.
About the thornies they actually have made the wobble less than the stockers. But I think I will still get them force balanced, even though I got a price on BFG's AT's lol
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Yeah, the BFG AT's are what I sold b/c I had such bad DW with them. Put on my worn out Pro Comp 33 MT's on black steelies and eliminated about 95% of it. ??? I'll probably be entering into a new DW investigation in next week or so when I install my new lift. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:30 PM   #45
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yeah I'm almost to the point of buying a new lift and seeing if that helps lol J/K. Thats almost the same thing that I did was put a worn out set of thornies on and its almost gone (well atleast its more tolerable now!!!)
Good luck with the lift better post some pics
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:02 PM   #46
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10-4, will do.
Funny, but that's sort of why I bought this full lift. I got the BB b/c I didn't want to deal with all the extra work and parts that came with a full lift. Figured since I'm having to deal with it anyway, I may as well have the lift I want.
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I had major DW with my stock GSA's. Even after rotating and balancing them the wobble continued. I recently purchased a set of 31X10.5 Cooper STT's and the wobble is gone! My advice is to borrow a buddy's set of wheels and tires and go for a spin. This might not fix the problem, but it's worth a try!
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I had major DW with my stock GSA's. Even after rotating and balancing them the wobble continued. I recently purchased a set of 31X10.5 Cooper STT's and the wobble is gone! My advice is to borrow a buddy's set of wheels and tires and go for a spin. This might not fix the problem, but it's worth a try!
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