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Old 11-12-2013, 12:37 PM   #1
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I want a manual

Today I was able to drive a TJ that had a manual transmission.
I had never driven one before.

I think I want one now...

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The more difficult trails you start encountering, the more you'd start appreciating the added control & the significantly higher level of torque generated by an automatic. I spent considerable time, effort, and $$$ converting my previous TJ from its OE 5-speed manual to an automatic for those two reasons.

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Old 11-12-2013, 02:29 PM   #3
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^^^^Very true, the harder the trails the easier it is with an automatic. but i still love my 6 speed for some reason.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:35 PM   #4
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If you love the manual that much look into a hand throttle, that will save clutch life on and off the trails, and prevent you from over revving it on harder trials. Lots of reasons to buy a hand throttle for the trails
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The more difficult trails you start encountering, the more you'd start appreciating the added control & the significantly higher level of torque generated by an automatic. I spent considerable time, effort, and $$$ converting my previous TJ from its OE 5-speed manual to an automatic for those two reasons.
Oh I know. But driving that manual on the street today was a hell of a lot of fun
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:45 PM   #6
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Today I was able to drive a TJ that had a manual transmission.
I had never driven one before.
I think I want one now...
Sell it and get one! Much easier than doing a swap.

I agree with the above posters. My Jeep is my first automatic trail rig. My previous two had manuals. A hand throttle is a big help for manuals on the trails, but I would never go back to a manual again for a trail rig.

Just my preference.
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Sell it and get one! Much easier than doing a swap.

I agree with the above posters. My Jeep is my first automatic trail rig. My previous two had manuals. A hand throttle is a big help for manuals on the trails, but I would never go back to a manual again for a trail rig.

Just my preference.
Nah, I'm stuck with this TJ. My wife has already said she'd whoop my ass if I sell or trade it, simply because of the amount of money I just put into it.
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:12 PM   #8
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Too bad, if you we're closer I'd say let's do a tranny swap.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:07 PM   #9
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I have a friend that has everything you need out of a 1999 4.0 TJ for around $1,000.00. Flywheel, 5 speed, clutch and brake pedal, clutch hyd resoivoire, rear drive shaft, shifter in excellent condition. All you need besides that is the pilot bearing housing, pilot bearing and clutch.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:27 PM   #10
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The more difficult trails you start encountering, the more you'd start appreciating the added control & the significantly higher level of torque generated by an automatic. I spent considerable time, effort, and $$$ converting my previous TJ from its OE 5-speed manual to an automatic for those two reasons.
isn't a smoother application of torque which is easier on the driveline as well??
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Swapping out the 42rle for a manual would be one bear of a swap......too big of a pain for me to be interested in helping. You really are better off taking everything off, selling, and getting a manual TJ.

Learning how to smoothly drive a manual offroad is a learned art but I wouldn't trade it for an auto....no way. Manuals are way too fun the rest of the time....and smaller, easier to tuck, and lighter.

Not to mention, they feel more powerful compared to auto-equipped TJ's.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:26 PM   #12
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Most of the internal components of the 42rle are shared with the 41TE of the dodge caravan. The planets and clutches are all the same exact parts. Obviusly they can take some abuse in a Jeep tho. I just found that amusing the first couple I rebuilt at work. Go to the parts shelf and grab clutches for a caravan....It makes me like my 6speed grinder even more.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:57 PM   #13
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Manual is way to fun for me to consider owning an automatic, it can be troublesome sometimes but the fun out weighs the disadvantages for me.
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Swapping out the 42rle for a manual would be one bear of a swap......too big of a pain for me to be interested in helping. You really are better off taking everything off, selling, and getting a manual TJ.

Learning how to smoothly drive a manual offroad is a learned art but I wouldn't trade it for an auto....no way. Manuals are way too fun the rest of the time....and smaller, easier to tuck, and lighter.

Not to mention, they feel more powerful compared to auto-equipped TJ's.
Just out of curiosity, why such a bear? I just bought an auto TJ, and have only ever had manual Wranglers. A local guy is parting out an 04 TJ with 6speed and transfer case still bolted together for $600. I was thinking long and hard about it!
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Not to mention, they feel more powerful compared to auto-equipped TJ's.
They may feel more powerful but I know that you know an automatic via its torque converter actually generates 2-3X more low-end torque.
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Just out of curiosity, why such a bear? I just bought an auto TJ, and have only ever had manual Wranglers. A local guy is parting out an 04 TJ with 6speed and transfer case still bolted together for $600. I was thinking long and hard about it!
The 42rle is heavily integrated into the TCM/PCM. Even things down to the transfer case input shaft length are different. The swap would be a royal PITA.

BTW, the NSG370 was only available on 05-06 TJ's, not 04's.
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They may feel more powerful but I know that you know an automatic via its torque converter actually generates 2-3X more low-end torque.
I'm aware of how torque converters work, Jerry. Thanks for the reminder.

I'm referring to simply driving the Jeep on the road. Autos feel sluggish, even when properly geared (the AW4 is definitely better in this regard). Manual-equipped TJ's feel quicker, probably are quicker (0-60) and are just more fun to drive. I love manuals....both of my vehicles are 5 speeds.
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We swap just swapped a duramax at the shop to a manual. It wasn't that big of a job as long as you have all the parts. The tubs/cabs are mass produced so the hole for the clutch pedal is already there It just needs punched out.
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The 42rle is heavily integrated into the TCM/PCM. Even things down to the transfer case input shaft length are different. The swap would be a royal PITA.

BTW, the NSG370 was only available on 05-06 TJ's, not 04's.

I'm aware of how torque converters work, Jerry. Thanks for the reminder.

I'm referring to simply driving the Jeep on the road. Autos feel sluggish, even when properly geared (the AW4 is definitely better in this regard). Manual-equipped TJ's feel quicker, probably are quicker (0-60) and are just more fun to drive. I love manuals....both of my vehicles are 5 speeds.
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You're right, it's out of an 05. And the TC and the trans would still be bolted together. I would have to figure out if an 05 PCM (manual trans) would work in my 01. No question, it's a lot of work, but it's doable, IMHO. Having a shop to work in would certainly make it a lot easier!

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