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Old 12-17-2009, 12:20 AM   #1
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Is this a good deal??

Hey guys just got on here tonight but have been watching about a 2 month, this place is great.

My question is I have found a 2004 Rubicon 45000 4.0 5 speed, lift with 33s and a soft top.

The problem is it has a salvage title due to front end damage (fenders hood bumper grill and radiator)

all fixed very well from what I can tell. Asking 11500 obo

Drives great, tracks straight and no frame issues that I can see.

I have no clue if this is a good deal or idea so I thought I would ask the professionals.

Any advice or thought would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:32 AM   #2
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I have experience with a Salvaged title. You can bet it's worth about half of that.

I know it's a good Jeep and all but the stigma that goes with that title will follow it forever. If you plan to keep it forever, then haggle the seller down. It's just not worth that price. If you plan to try and sell it later, you'll find out what I'm talking about.

I'd say keep looking. You'll find one that you'll love, won't have a salvaged title and will probably be less.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:46 AM   #3
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Good advice from ccain. Dealers will run from these or get insane deals on them. Can you get pics of the damage before repair? The seller should be able to prove their case of the damage and how it was repaired. This seller needs to take the price hit so you don't have to later.
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Thanks, I have no experience with a salvage titles,
So as a rule of thumb would this one be worth half of book price or half of asking price??
and the other jeep I found is a 97 lift 4.0 5 speed no salvage but in rough shape and a hard top for 5500
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:01 AM   #5
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just dont rush it. i waited and looked for over a year and finally found the right TJ for me. what i got already came lifted, with baja claws, aftermarket sound, and it cost about the same as a stock 02. whatever you do shop around a lot.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:15 AM   #6
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yea i bought a salvaged Honda. No problems yet but a part of me wishes I never had.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:15 AM   #7
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Well I can almost 100% assure you its never been offroaded due to the tube bumpers, but more noticeably the Chrome on it.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:34 AM   #9
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I used to be the guy who threw that salvage label on cars, so here's a few things to consider:

-In order for a vehicle to be labeled "Salvage," the damage has to total at least 75% of the value of the vehicle (NADA Retail) at the time of the loss. Right now, based on your description, it books on NADA at $17,450. Meaning it would have had to have sustained more than $13,000 worth of damage... and it was almost certainly worth more at the time of the loss. The likelihood of "front end damage" coming out to $13k is pretty slim. I know, I've written some f'ed up Wranglers, and they're pretty difficult to total, because they're not all that expensive to fix.

-In looking at this picture, everything matches up pretty well. There's no obvious difference in paint color from the front end to the back end (areas that would have been repaired vs. those that would not have). The bumper matches the steps in terms of oxidation, and the flares match for fading (or lack thereof).

This just means one of several things: either a), the damage was more severe than you're being led to believe, b) the rig was totaled out for safety reasons (something like the cowl that can't be repaired safely), or c) it was a flood loss.

I'd run an autocheck or carfax first, then try to find out who fixed it and talk to the shop. Sounds like it's to good to be true to me, but really, it's just something to think about. Don't saddle yourself with a lemon.
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Thanks the 75% is something I did not know and the jeeps dont seem to be to hard to bolt parts onto so where did the rest of the money go? Running a check is one thing I think I will do after all the good advice.
thanks again!!
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VARedLeg brings up a good point... I never considered a flood loss. There were probably thousands of '04 Wranglers on the Gulf coast when Katrina hit. Some of those cars were repaired and made it out here to the left coast. Hell, Tennessee is close yet far enough away if you catch my drift. I'd look under the carpets and behind the inner fender splash guards and see if you can see anything.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:19 AM   #12
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I'd also be checking to see if it is a REAL rubicon model. Stickers are simple to get and they aren't in the factory location on the picture you posted.
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I'd also be checking to see if it is a REAL rubicon model. Stickers are simple to get and they aren't in the factory location on the picture you posted.
I agree! I thought most Rubicons came with the armor down the side, but I could be wrong.
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The trail rated button is also missing from the drivers side; I know it looks good but I would steer clear of this one. Salvage is never a good word to apply to a vehicle. The only way I would consider it is if I knew how and by whom this jeep was repaired and I planned on keeping it forever, because if you buy it no one will ever buy it from you.
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This looks almost exactly like my sister's. She bought a 2000, I'm not sure if it is a Rubicon, 33's, 2 inch body lift, "rhino" lined, cd player, car had over 100k but had an engine with less that 20k on it. It is a salvaged title, as well. However they paid like 7,500 for it and it's just to tool around in the summer or at the lake. I don't think a salvaged titled car is what you need day-to-day.

My 2 cents: You can definitely find a better deal. I bought and 05 X with 16k miles for 14.
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I would run far away from this deal....way to many variables. I promise you the seller has the advantage here by far.
If you were to get involved, just know that this thing is waaaaay over priced, if, it is even a Rubi. Salvage title deals are easy to get into but near impossible to get out of without giving them away. Do yorself a favor..look for something else. Good luck!
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Old 12-20-2009, 12:47 PM   #17
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this was a great looking 2004 jeep i was looking to buy until I found it had a salvage title.

It was written off in 2005, only a year old, so it must have been serious, although carfax only confirm it was a front end crash. Carfax has no record of it after that time until it turned up for sale here in the Middle East recently. Strangely it was salvaged with 20k on the clock and now, 5 years later has 30k.

I really liked the look of the vehicle, but the risk seemed simply too great on this one.
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this was a great looking 2004 jeep i was looking to buy until I found it had a salvage title.

It was written off in 2005, only a year old, so it must have been serious, although carfax only confirm it was a front end crash. Carfax has no record of it after that time until it turned up for sale here in the Middle East recently. Strangely it was salvaged with 20k on the clock and now, 5 years later has 30k.

I really liked the look of the vehicle, but the risk seemed simply too great on this one.
Sorry i couldn't send you the Pictures, but this was the Jeep i was talking about in the thread "wranglers in beirut". I found it very nice, but it has so much rust (i can see they painted the tube fender black since i saw it)
I'll keep you updated if i find something else for you!!
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:59 AM   #19
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don't rush it I was lucky and found the one I wanted by just going out for a sunday cruise.

picked my up for less than book with 3k in mods

I know the dealer they are regular customers of mine and they both owned tj's

I did research and bought it the next day

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