Thanks for that Jerry, now I know you are not just a web wheeler and you actually have experience, I have some respect for you know,Nice Jeep, good wheeling. I've been there several times myself. So, have you ever taken off your sliders to see if you have any damage ? most people don't take them off for that reason. I can just look at my frame mounted slider to see if they are bent up. I used to have a pair like the OP is considering. I would watch them bend up toward the body when wheeling rocks. Then I would take them off and beat the straight with a sledge. They simply need more support in the middle but, I'm sure they would make a good step. To the guy above, sorry I offended you, you talk hardcore but then show a pic of your Jeep in the drive way, how am I supposed to know ? BTW, I do really like your Jeep, I wish I owned it, I would immediately take off the stinger, it really is ridiculous ! Sorry just my opinion. I'm sure if youi guys saw my old Jeep, you wouldn't like it either, You know, diff, strokes and all that. BTW Jerry, you look to be about my same age, and you are smiling while you are wheeling. I like that and I'm willing to bet we would get along just fine on the trail. Congratulations on getting out and doing it, some people our age are big fat dudes that just watch tv.I quit my great job in L.A., sold the house just so we could be close to the Rubicon. How many wheelers here are that devoted ?