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Is this a good rockslider?

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#1 ·
Found theta rock slider / stepper after some research

It's cheap at 190$ for 2

It's looks nice

And I already have a piece of body armor to go over the body when I put them on
(If I do)

Any opinions?
 

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#3 ·
No, frame mounted sliders are not suitable for much more than light duty use or as a step. Too much leverage is available between the frame and slider.

The strongest and most protective type is bolted directly to the tub, which is the kind you'll find on the most well built Wranglers.

Like this one. :)
 

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The strongest ones bolt or are welded to the frame, not bolted to thin sheet metal, they're a fad. I have seen myself and have read about how after pounding sheet metal mounted skins to the body, when you take them off , you have a crease in the tube right where the sliders meet the body, the upper leading edge. You don't really think slamming down about 4 t o 5 grand worth of weight on those sliders repeatedly over time, is not going to affect the tub? BTW, when you drill holes in the body, you voided your 10 year rust warranty. It's because they know it's going to rust sooner or later. You won't know it until it's to late. Also, the ones you show in your picture, because they only mount front and rear, will fold up if you slam down on them and then possibly hit the body, causing damage to the same thing it was meant to protect, just like bolt to sheet metal sliders.
 
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You couldn't be more wrong on that. Sorry to be so blunt but if you had more experience, you'd know what is run on hardcore rock crawlers or competitive Jeeps. Beginners or or those who stick to easy trails are the only types likely to believe you.

And no, they're not simply bolted to the sheet metal on the side. That alone shows you have no personal experience with them. Frame mounted sounds stronger only to those with little personal experience. Go to a hardcore competitive event and try to find a single frame mounted rocker guard. You won't. Not to mention real rocker guards wrap around to underneath the tub and are mounted on both the bottom at the tub mounts and side of the tub... not just the side sheet metal like an inexperienced wheeler would guess.

Like these...
 

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I don't know why you think I have no experience. Is it because I don't have 36 thousand posts ? I don't have that many because I go wheeeling in stead. I drove a 69 landcruiser from cali, to Alaska in 1975, and have never stopped wheeling since. Most here weren't even alive yet.I also own two Jeeps and live by the Rubicon.I also lived in Cali for over 40 years, you don't need to remind me of what cali is like. Again, I have seen the damage with my own eyes, you are the ones with no experience if you haven't seen this. I like how you guys spew what you have read here and think it's gospel. You guys need to go to wayalife.com, where you can continue the brain washing.Good luck. All you hard core web wheelers, lets see your hard core wheeling rigs here, we'll determine if your hard core. Certainly the Jeep above here has never really been wheeling, otherwise that stupid bar around the windshield would be folded into the windshield.I also think he thinks that fad of a hoop on the front bumper will support the weight of the Jeep in a roll over, it looks ridiculous and cannot support the weight !It's okay though, it's just for looks so others think he is hardcore. Just another guy with a Jeep he thinks is hardcore, just look at how hard core he is ! LOL !
 
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I don't know why you think I have no experience. Is it because I don't have 36 thousand posts ? I don't have that many because I go wheeeling in stead. I drove a 69 landcruiser from cali, to Alaska in 1975, and have never stopped wheeling since. Most here weren't even alive yet.I also own two Jeeps and live by the Rubicon.I also lived in Cali for over 40 years, you don't need to remind me of what cali is like. Again, I have seen the damage with my own eyes, you are the ones with no experience if you haven't seen this. I like how you guys spew what you have read here and think it's gospel. You guys need to go to wayalife.com, where you can continue the brain washing.Good luck. All you hard core web wheelers, lets see your hard core wheeling rigs here, we'll determine if your hard core. Certainly the Jeep above here has never really been wheeling, otherwise that stupid bar around the windshield would be folded into the windshield. Just another guy with a Jeep he thinks is hardcore, just look at how hard core he is ! LOL !
Hows that bar gonna get smashed into the glass, huh? It clears the glass and the top. I can pull the top off with it still on. It serves as a canoe rack also. Its quite functional and well built. In fact just about everything on my jeep is hand built except those sliders. Can you say that about all your shit? How do you know what kind of wheeling i do... You dont. But i will tell you that common sense will tell you that 3/16" plate mounted solid to the body is much stronger than two .60 wall tubes welded to the frame. Have a fat girl jump up and down on both and see which is first to bend. Do you see me goofing on your jeep... No. Dont goof on mine, Asshole.
 
#12 ·
Well then show a picture of it in a hard core environment and not on a little dirt patch. Don't get it dirty ! You did the work and it really does look great but that doesn't mean you actually use it. A lot of people put so much money in their rigs, their afraid to use them. Have you ever bashed your sliders hard for a long time, taken them off to see if their were any damage? I didn't think so, I can tell by your pristine Jeep.
 
#17 ·
Thanks for that Jerry, now I know you are not just a web wheeler and you actually have experience, I have some respect for you know,Nice Jeep, good wheeling. I've been there several times myself. So, have you ever taken off your sliders to see if you have any damage ? most people don't take them off for that reason. I can just look at my frame mounted slider to see if they are bent up. I used to have a pair like the OP is considering. I would watch them bend up toward the body when wheeling rocks. Then I would take them off and beat the straight with a sledge. They simply need more support in the middle but, I'm sure they would make a good step. To the guy above, sorry I offended you, you talk hardcore but then show a pic of your Jeep in the drive way, how am I supposed to know ? BTW, I do really like your Jeep, I wish I owned it, I would immediately take off the stinger, it really is ridiculous ! Sorry just my opinion. I'm sure if youi guys saw my old Jeep, you wouldn't like it either, You know, diff, strokes and all that. BTW Jerry, you look to be about my same age, and you are smiling while you are wheeling. I like that and I'm willing to bet we would get along just fine on the trail. Congratulations on getting out and doing it, some people our age are big fat dudes that just watch tv.I quit my great job in L.A., sold the house just so we could be close to the Rubicon. How many wheelers here are that devoted ?
 
#18 · (Edited)
I used to have a pair like the OP is considering. I would watch them bend up toward the body when wheeling rocks. Then I would take them off and beat the straight with a sledge. They simply need more support in the middle but, I'm sure they would make a good step.
That's why I have always advised against frame-mounted sliders for anyone with needs beyond easy wheeling or using them as a step.

And if anyone is wheeling hard enough to be considered hardcore, it's a simple matter to add reinforcement inside the tub as was in my previous TJ and is in my present TJ as well.
 

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#23 ·
Dave, for fun can you recommend a set of frame mounted sliders that provide the most clearance from a reputable company with a known track record for providing tough reliable armour for our Jeeps? I would prefer to not have to remove them and beat back into shape. I've checked Genright, Poison Spyder and Savvy, but see none.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Dave, for fun can you recommend a set of frame mounted sliders that provide the most clearance from a reputable company with a known track record for providing tough reliable armour for our Jeeps? I would prefer to not have to remove them and beat back into shape. I've checked Genright, Poison Spyder and Savvy, but see none.
:rofl: Clearly all of those companies must be making stuff for the webwheeler crowd and don't know we should all be running frame mounted sliders. :D
 
#24 ·
Don't give up Jerry, I'm a little bored this morning and it's fun to get you stirred up, keeps it interesting. Hey, lets talk Jeeps Jerry, mine as you say doesn't really do any wheeling so my sliders are just fine for what I do. I should probably get rid of the King coilovers, 38s, and the 550 h/p engine then. BTW, what are you running ?
 
#31 · (Edited)
Willysdave, you're embarrassing yourself here by not getting what we're talking about. jjvw mentioned three of the most hard-core manufacturers around, Genright, Savvy, and Poison Spyder, who manufacture high-end competitive rock crawling equipment. His point was that none of them offer frame-mounted sliders, the reason being because they're not strong enough at the competition level. That you didn't get his non-subtle point confirms you're completely disconnected from that higher level of wheeling. That's why I said above that it's clear that frame-mounted sliders are probably the right choice for your level of wheeling since you haven't torn yours off in frustration.
 
#32 ·
He's laughing at the choices of sliders the guy is looking at to buy. What's wrong with you ? lol It's okay, we all know that Jerry is the one who should know because he has tried and tested over a long period of time, all those manufactures. I was just starting to like Jerry too. Now there is no doubt that Jerry just spews out what he has read, or heard and really has no idea what he is talking about. Just because you add a bunch of crap to your Jeep and go beat the crap out of it at the Hammers makes you no authority on every product out their. You don't really have personal experience with any of those manufactures you laughed at, do you Jerry ? just a yes or no will suffice.
 
#35 ·
I think I understand a few things, but not because of you. Sorry, age does not equal wisdom in this discussion.

This was fun, but perhaps we ought to better establish the OP's real needs rather than pretend the he needs competition level gear on his Jeep. And perhaps we should also speak accurately about the capabilities of the gear we recommend.
 
#34 ·
Which respect to the OP, we once again dived off into a tangent about the differences between side steps and true rock sliders. Side steps are not good rock sliders. And rock sliders do not necessarily make it easier to climb into a Jeep. We are comparing apples and pineapples.
 
#36 ·
alright, you guys got me ! are you happy? the facts are still the same,you bash them enough and the tub will bend. I guess who really cares, your not ever going to take them off any way. Also who cares if you get rust from all the holes you drilled, doing more damage to your Jeep then most people would do when wheeling anyway, before you even wheel, it's just a Jeep. I guess you like bashing the side of your Jeep on rocks, and I like keeping the rocks away from the side.
 
#39 ·
I like stuff that functions well for its intended purpose. I also make an effort to install my stuff as well as I am able to do.

One thing I understand about frame mounted sliders, in addition to the fact that they have a tendency to bend from leverage as you will attest, is that they place metal where there wasn't metal before. That is why I keep asking about clearance. One of my personal goals for my build it to move things out of the way so they don't get in the way. Frame mounted sliders do not accomplish that. All things beings being equal, you are dragging and bending your frame mounted sliders long before Jerry is even touching his tub mounted sliders.
 
#40 ·
New guys often use incorrect terminology for stuff, especially if all they are exposed to are catalogs and television and their meathead diesel jock bro neighbors in the sub-division. It often leads to these types of threads. I'm glad they do because once upon a time, I did not understand the differences between nerf bars and sliders and why those differences matter. Thanks to Jerry and to others! An additional benefit is that my terminology is increasingly better and I am increasingly able to wrap my head around more complicated topics. Again, thanks to Jerry and to others!
 
#41 · (Edited)
Something else Willysdave doesn't understand about the differences... rocker mounted rocker guards cover and reinforce the entire bottom edge of the tub so they distribute heavy impacts across their entire surface. That's how they protect the tub better and are stronger than a piece of steel supported between two spindly brackets that bolt to the frame at only two points 5' apart. Not to mention how much leverage those two extended length mounting brackets give against the two mounting points where they're screwed to the frame.
 
#57 ·
Exactly. Distribution of the impact is why the tub's sheet metal can handle it. The plate steel is also made stronger by being formed in an angle, like angle iron. Verticle at the tub and horizontal wrap under to its mount points. Now what was the OP's question again? Lol
 
#42 ·
I think that's great ! Just don't forget that their is a whole other world out there, and no one, or one website can you gather all info. from. Nothing ever beats personal experience, test by you, over and over, over a long period of time. Hows that for wisdom, anyone disagree ?
 
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