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Old 09-10-2012, 03:02 PM   #1
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Jeep doesn't like the cooler weather

Lately it has been getting down to the high 50s low 60s at night and the jeep hasn't liked it when it gets that low. This had been a problem since mid winter last year. The thing starts up but will idle slightly higher than norm for a bit which is normal in the cold (I think) but the problem is that it makes different noises and stuff like that. I have posted on the issue before with videos with no answers just people saying they have the same issues and no clue what it is. I will post the videos up again ASAP.

Thanks any suggestion is a good one so post em up really want to get everything all worked out before it gets to cold!

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My first guess would be inappropriate oil weight for temperature but 50-60 isnt really a drastic temperature change.

Before I sold my 350Z to get my wrangler it would make a weird whine/transmission/belt noise upon start up, especially in cold weather.
It was apparently a common problem that no one could really track down but it always went away after the engine was warm.

I read that a couple of people solved the problem by replacing the transmission - until it came back 3 months later.

If its not hurting anything (which is hard to tell at this point) you have to determine how much its worth to fix it of the problem goes away on its own anyways.

If you think its causing some sort of damage im sure a decent mechanic can probably diagnose and fix the problem for you.
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My first guess would be inappropriate oil weight for temperature but 50-60 isnt really a drastic temperature change.

Before I sold my 350Z to get my wrangler it would make a weird whine/transmission/belt noise upon start up, especially in cold weather.
It was apparently a common problem that no one could really track down but it always went away after the engine was warm.

I read that a couple of people solved the problem by replacing the transmission - until it came back 3 months later.

If its not hurting anything (which is hard to tell at this point) you have to determine how much its worth to fix it of the problem goes away on its own anyways.

If you think its causing some sort of damage im sure a decent mechanic can probably diagnose and fix the problem for you.
I am only going to guess that it is not the oil weight because I ran the same weight all through fall (gets cold up here in NW PA that time of year) and about 3/4 of winter Before it started making the sound. I really don't think it is causing any harm to anything but since I don't know the source of the noise it's very hard to tell. I like to keep mechanic use to a minimum I can usually fix the problems by myself lol but thanks for the reply keep em coming wrangler forum! I know there is a few of you guys/ girls who have the same problem, any of you guys figure it out?
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Oh come on I know someone has the answer to my problem lol
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Oh come on I know someone has the answer to my problem lol
Don't have a definitive answer for you, but if you take a couple of 3/8" drive 12" extensions and put them together then with the engine running set one end of the extensions on different parts (Alternator, water pump, engine block etc) while holding your ear along side the other end of the extension, you can use it like a stethoscope and determine where the noise is coming from....Could be just a bearing in a hang on. Just be careful of moving parts and fan belts.
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Yeah I will try to locate it again but last time I came up with nothing:/ the sound doesn't happen much unless it's about 50dehrees out so makes it hard to start and stop the car and find it once the car gets warmed up the sound goes away
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My Jeep reacts exactly opposite. Driving to work yesterday, temps right at 50 for the first time since spring, and I noticed that the engine was running much better than usual... noticeably more power.

A result of cooler, more dense air.

So far I have no unusual sounds because of the lower temps.... hope you can track yours down.
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My guess is it's a bearing. The alternator in my old 4runner always made a noise like that anytime got around 50 or below. After it warmed up the sound went away. Did that for a few years before I sold it.
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Have you checked the idler or tensioner pulleys. Those make that kinda weird noise when they are going out.
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My guess is it's a bearing. The alternator in my old 4runner always made a noise like that anytime got around 50 or below. After it warmed up the sound went away. Did that for a few years before I sold it.
it sounds like that's where it is coming from I'm going to listen closely the next few days and see if it is.

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Have you checked the idler or tensioner pulleys. Those make that kinda weird noise when they are going out.
I'm going to check them again I checked them when noise first started and nothing was wrong.

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Ok so it's been a while but I've been listening to the noise over and over and it is definatly the cold that is causing the problem here. We had a couple days here recently that went above 70 degrees and no sound. Now just last night it got down to 26 degrees and earlier this afternoon (1 ish) I started jeep and the noise was loud and I put the trans into reverse and sound went away but the transmission seemed to lag or take a long time to go into reverse. Also seemed to not engage all the way kind of skipped or something. Now after that put it back into park and got the noise back. So I am going to say that it is the transmission. Now last year in about December I had the transmission slip on me ( first time this has ever happened in any vehicle I had) also had the whole jeep jump and sputter when I put it in reverse and backed out if the drive way. I also had this sound then too so there is more proof its the trans. Its almost as if the transmission is low on fluid when i start it up but it is not low. once it warms up everything is fine and dandy, no noise. and the trans shifts smooth so idk what to think... I have the 3sp auto trans in my 2000. Anyone have an idea???
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Ok. Remove the serpentine belt...completely off. Start it back up. My bet is the noise is gone. If it is then start spinning the pulleys the belt runs. Especially the tensioner and the idler. If anything sings and growls when spun then that is your problem. I do this everyday and it will eliminate or narrow down the search. Don't worry about running it a short time without the belt. Let me know what happens and I can help from there.
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Ok. Remove the serpentine belt...completely off. Start it back up. My bet is the noise is gone. If it is then start spinning the pulleys the belt runs. Especially the tensioner and the idler. If anything sings and growls when spun then that is your problem. I do this everyday and it will eliminate or narrow down the search. Don't worry about running it a short time without the belt. Let me know what happens and I can help from there.
You know I thought about it being pulleys but then what I just posted happened and it put me right at the transmission but I will do it now since I really don't know for sure lol! Thanks ill let you know in the next couple days I'm stuck working 9 to 9 tomorrow so no time to do it
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Sounds good. Sometimes noises transfer through other parts and come out in the oddest places. I always remove the belt, that way you eliminate all those things. Then if it is still there you have narrowed it down at least.
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50 to 60 degrees! Try having a jeep that sits outside when its 0 to 20 degrees. Give me a break.
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I'm betting that removing the belt will make it go away.If it doesn't then try putting your tranny in neutral as soon as you crank it and see if that helps
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i bet the oil is just a lil thick starting up...switch to a lil thinner weight if you want for the winter, but i bet your fine
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50 to 60 degrees! Try having a jeep that sits outside when its 0 to 20 degrees. Give me a break.
Ok lol take a look at that post it was done on Aug. it gets down to the low 20s here this time of year and we see some negatives here too just not this early in the year
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I'm betting that removing the belt will make it go away.If it doesn't then try putting your tranny in neutral as soon as you crank it and see if that helps
Yeah I just did that yesterday after put it in reverse and it goes away when I put it in gear. After work today I instantly put it in N and it didn't happen ( did for a split second but once it was in N it was fine) I'm betting on something with the trans fluid being thick in the cold and it's not getting to the gears.
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i bet the oil is just a lil thick starting up...switch to a lil thinner weight if you want for the winter, but i bet your fine
Me too

Thanks guys! I will be trying the belt thing anyway just to see but not until Wednesday.
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Im actually having the exact same issue as you, EXACT SAME EVERYTHING lol. Didnt start happening till the temp started dropping, and then when it started getting colder, down in the 30's, my transmission started acting up as well. Not shifting properly directly after start up, but give like 5 or 10 mins to warm up and shes fine. The only thing I've had suggested to me is some throw in some Lucas Oil Stabilizer and see if that does the trick. I havent tried it yet, past couple of days i've just been startin the jeep up and letting her warm up a few mins before I take off. Just been ignoring it. The shifting problem has went away since I let it run a bit before taking off. If you figure anything out I would love to know my self, sorry im not much help though, im a noob with cars, i just drive them lol but im trying to learn
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Im actually having the exact same issue as you, EXACT SAME EVERYTHING lol. Didnt start happening till the temp started dropping, and then when it started getting colder, down in the 30's, my transmission started acting up as well. Not shifting properly directly after start up, but give like 5 or 10 mins to warm up and shes fine. The only thing I've had suggested to me is some throw in some Lucas Oil Stabilizer and see if that does the trick. I havent tried it yet, past couple of days i've just been startin the jeep up and letting her warm up a few mins before I take off. Just been ignoring it. The shifting problem has went away since I let it run a bit before taking off. If you figure anything out I would love to know my self, sorry im not much help though, im a noob with cars, i just drive them lol but im trying to learn
Haha no problem! It's just nice to know someone has the same problem as me! And if you figure anything out please let me know and I'll do the same for you!
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Ok so it is definatly the transmission making the noise. Why would it do this and what would fix it besides the temporary fix, starting the jeep while it's in N.
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Ok so I have been doing some research and I stumbled upon this on the forums and I think this is the problem we are having. I'm going to be doing some calling around and see what the local transmission shops have to say or if they will look at it.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/32rh...ve-178050.html
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Lately it has been getting down to the high 50s low 60s at night and the jeep hasn't liked it when it gets that low. This had been a problem since mid winter last year. The thing starts up but will idle slightly higher than norm for a bit which is normal in the cold (I think) but the problem is that it makes different noises and stuff like that. I have posted on the issue before with videos with no answers just people saying they have the same issues and no clue what it is. I will post the videos up again ASAP.

Thanks any suggestion is a good one so post em up really want to get everything all worked out before it gets to cold!
Weird. It's -10 degrees where I am now and my jeep runs like a champ.
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Weird. It's -10 degrees where I am now and my jeep runs like a champ.
Haha that's funny
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change tranny fluid and filter.
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change tranny fluid and filter.
Did that
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Try cold starting it in Neutral and see if the noise is still present.

I just bought the TJ I have now in July. During the Summer, I could hear something... just a slight rattle noise on the first start-up of the day. It only lasted a second or so, and wouldn't do it the rest of the day. As the weather started to cool off, it became more pronounced, even developing into a brief whine similar to that of a power steering pump that's low on fluid. After doing some reading on the forums and such, I came to suspect the check valve even though I didn't have the delay going into gear that a lot people speak of. I replaced that about a month ago... no change. After a few more morning start-ups while trying different things, I realized that if I started it in Neutral, there was no noise... dead silent. The 32rh, like all other variations of the old 904 design, doesn't charge the converter or lube the trans while in park... that's why we have to put them in Neutral to check the fluid level, and surely this takes it's toll on pump, converter, and bushing wear over time & mileage. Sonnax makes a manual valve that allows charging of the converter and lube when in the Park position. I just installed one in mine this morning, and removed the check valve per Sonnax's recommendations. I'll post results tomorrow after the moment of truth.
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Try cold starting it in Neutral and see if the noise is still present.

I just bought the TJ I have now in July. During the Summer, I could hear something... just a slight rattle noise on the first start-up of the day. It only lasted a second or so, and wouldn't do it the rest of the day. As the weather started to cool off, it became more pronounced, even developing into a brief whine similar to that of a power steering pump that's low on fluid. After doing some reading on the forums and such, I came to suspect the check valve even though I didn't have the delay going into gear that a lot people speak of. I replaced that about a month ago... no change. After a few more morning start-ups while trying different things, I realized that if I started it in Neutral, there was no noise... dead silent. The 32rh, like all other variations of the old 904 design, doesn't charge the converter or lube the trans while in park... that's why we have to put them in Neutral to check the fluid level, and surely this takes it's toll on pump, converter, and bushing wear over time & mileage. Sonnax makes a manual valve that allows charging of the converter and lube when in the Park position. I just installed one in mine this morning, and removed the check valve per Sonnax's recommendations. I'll post results tomorrow after the moment of truth.
Awesome please let us know! But yeah I put it in N now like I said in an earlier post. Doing so gets rid of the noise. Now I can't believe I didn't think of this before because one day I was out in my jeep one winter night and one of the plow guys stopped me and wanted to see my jeep and we talked and he said something about having to put his 90 dodge ram into neutral when he started it or when he would stop to chit chat with someone because the trans wouldn't pump fluid in and it would run dry for a second if he didnt. It's a Chrysler corp thing I take it lol and just clicked the other day when I decided to start it in N. I also came across a post that said it was the check valve so I'm planning on replacing it. Any suggestions and tips?
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For the record: Sonnax Manual Valve Part Number 22771-09 = a bucket full of WIN!
Sonnax - Aftermarket replacement transmission, torque converter, and high performance automotive parts

Cranked it up @ 56 degrees this morning. The cavitation noise is completely gone.

This manual valve also eliminates the need for the cooler line check valve, since the converter is now being charged immediately on startup. Sonnax recommends doing away with it.

The downside: This is nowhere near as easy to replace as the cooler line check valve. Valve body removal is required, which is beyond the comfort zone of most folks. I rebuild GM transmissions for a living, so it wasn't "outside of the box" for me. There's an accumulator piston and two springs that will fall out of the case when the valve body is removed, and the park linkage comes out with the valve body as well. Disassembly isn't the tricky part... it takes more than two hands to get it back together. I had a friend hold the piston & springs in the case with a long screwdriver while I held the park pawl open with another long screwdriver to feed the linkage back in... all while maneuvering the valve body back into position. And since you're there, it only makes sense to do a band adjustment and replace the filter. As for the in-line check valve, I still had my old one from when I replaced it a month or so ago... I drilled the guts out of it, making sure to get all of the remaining debris out, flushed it out several times and reinstalled it.

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