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Old 02-10-2009, 09:23 PM   #1
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jeep doesnt wont go into gear at complete stop

sorry about the misspelled title..

my 97 tj 5speed has started to struggle to go into gear at a stop..when the jeep is cold in the morning or has been sitting for a while, everything is fine... after warm up, i must down shift while it's still rolling in order to get it into 1st or else it feels like the shifter is hitting a brick wall..oddly, shutting the jeep off and starting it again, allows it to go into gear at a stop if i have failed to remember to get it into 1st quick..

what could be the problem?

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Old 02-10-2009, 09:41 PM   #2
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Try when coming to a stop kick the tranny into neutral first pause a moment then re clutch it into gear. Thinking you have worn syncro's and they are not fully grabbing to allow you to just go gear to gear down shifting. Is it all gears or only like 1st and 2nd? MY 97 tj hates it when i try downshifting into first at anything above a crawl and second anything really above 15 mph or so.

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Old 02-10-2009, 09:47 PM   #3
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Thinking you have worn syncro's and they are not fully grabbing to allow you to just go gear to gear down shifting.
i do not understand what you mean by this statement..the downshifting i am doing is the only way i can keep the jeep in gear..if i come to a complete stop in gear, no matter what gear it is, i am not able to get it back in gear without turning it off than restarting it.

the "re-clutching" does nothing..and i am naturaly, only able to move through second to first at very slow,almost walking, speeds.
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Ohh so if you come to a complete stop in neutral you can not put it back into gear once you completely stop?
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:56 PM   #5
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exactly..it drives fine, no grinding when shifting, no whining,or slipping...wanting to get this sorted out, hoping someone on here has experienced it before.
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OHH can you look through the inspection hole and see anything wacky with the clutch? that is a interesting problem. It is either your clutch or your syncro's. If the syncro's are not lining up when you go to put it into gear well you will never get it into gear. Once it heats up have you tried tossing it in reverse because first gear and reverse sit on the same line. Like when you can't get it into reverse you normally put it into first gear then put it reverse and it works like a charm.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:57 AM   #7
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noone else has any ideas on what my problem could be?
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:10 AM   #8
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re you holding down the clutch when u stop? lol just kidding When you say stuck do you mean you cant move your shifter or it just stalls out?? Is it a stock clutch or after market?
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:34 AM   #9
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I do no that using 1st to brake extremely fast will do that... LOL did it to a 2004BMW haha luckily I got rid of it... But yea the syncros could be worn or even bent a little...
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re you holding down the clutch when u stop? lol just kidding When you say stuck do you mean you cant move your shifter or it just stalls out?? Is it a stock clutch or after market?
no stalling out, i dont recall saying stuck, but the shifter will not move into gear if i am at a stop, while still rolling it is fine..
and im not talking about going 15-20 trying to jam it into first, if im going 1-5 miles an hour, the shifter will go in gear, if a complete stop comes, it wont and i must turn the jeep off, start it again, and it will go in gear.
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I do no that using 1st to brake extremely fast will do that... LOL ...
thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Old 02-13-2009, 04:42 PM   #12
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My brother-in-law had a 97 5 speed with the same problem. you would almost break your knuckle when you finally pushed hard enough to get the thing back into first. Your knuckle would hit the ac. I dont know how to fix it but when your stopped, maybe if you put it into reverse for a split second to get the "gears" aligned, then quickly put it back into first then maybe it get back into gear.
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im not trying to be a wise guy..and i really do appreciate all that attempt to help out..but some of you guys either can not read or are posting for the sake of your post count.
the jeep will not go into 1st, 2nd,3rd,4th,5th or reverse when at a complete stop..

apex, did your brother in law ever find out what was wrong with his?
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no. he sold it before he ever diagnosed it.. sorry.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:29 PM   #15
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Sounds to me like the clutch isn't disengaging completely. Totally stopped but slightly engaged it's still spinning the input shaft but all the other gears are stopped. The syncros are doing their job by not letting it go into gear till they are the same speed.

But - rolling slightly the 1st & 2nd gears are turning enough to mesh.

Clutch trouble, not synchros.

Check the fluid in the clutch MC.
Look underneath at the slave cylinder - leaking?

Have someone press down on the pedal and watch the movement.
Have them push the clutch pedal down as fast as they can. If it's hydraulic related often you will see the slave extend, then drop back.

If not, time to go inside.
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Clutch. I experienced similar problems with my truck when the clutch needed to be replaced. If the hydraulics were leaking you would see evidence of that where you park the jeep. Unless you really abused your Jeep the transmission is the last thing I would suspect. Take the inspection plate off your bell housing and examine the clutch. Consult your shop manual for specifications on driven plate thickness.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:15 PM   #17
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Jeep wont go into gear when its warm

I have the exact same problem with my 97 Wrangler. Had mechanic check clutch-it's fine. Did anyone solve this problem?
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:07 AM   #18
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When i first got my 99 mine started to do the same thing and i had to push hard as hell to get it in gear. Even after double clutching it.
I delt with it for awhile but then found that my throw out bearing is going out. New clutch kit going in this coming weekend.
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sounds to me like the clutch is not completely disengaged. If you turn if off the motor stops nothings turning anymore and it goes in gear. I would think the throw out bearing or clutch slave cylinder. Just a thougt
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My 87 wrangler is doing the same thing only worse. started slowly then eventually couldnt get into any gears while running. first check you hydraulic clutch fluid level. it should be located by the firewall drivers side.(is on mine anyway) it takes DOT 3 brake fluid. if it is low/empty then pump your clutch several times to work the fluid in. if that works it may only be temporary keep checking the level of the fluid if it goes down the cylinder in the tranny is not seated properly or loose or bad. mine was leaking slowly and now it is so bad ill add fluid and now when i pump the clutch the fluid ends up goin right thru and to the ground. im gonna have to pull the inspection plate off to see if there is a way to replace what i believe is the hydraulic cylinder inside it without taking tranny off. ill try and update you are still having issues like me.
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Mine does this every now and then. I've only had this Jeep for a month, but so far it seems like it only does this in colder weather. Pumping the clutch several times seems to help. I'm thinking it's most likely a hydraulic issue. Possibly a seal shrinking up in the master or slave cylinder, allowing a little bit of air to get in, and pumping the pedal burps the air out
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If this problem started after a transmission oil change, make sure additives were not added to the oil. Sometimes someone not knowing how synchro's work will put something like STP oil treatment into the transmission and the synchro's stop working. Then, the transmission needs to be drained, flushed and filled with the correct lube.
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My 99 used to be that way then after some research I decided to change the oil in the trans and it has been better than it ever was . The oil I used which was what I read the most positive comments about was Red Line MTL . This trans shifts great now .
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Old 01-31-2010, 02:13 PM   #24
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I had this problem, had my fluids changed, solved the problem until i went wheeling again and got water in it.

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