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Old 03-21-2014, 02:01 AM   #1
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Looking for the problem....

So tomorrow i start the quest to find out that is making a horrible grinding and pinging noise coming from my front end. Just started after our last ice storm about a week ago.. Started checking things, and i am stupid when it comes to automotive issues, but was guessing ball joints, so jacked the Jeep up, started trying to wiggle tires and found some annoying little things.. 1 there is some surface rust that imma deal with.... 2nd my sway bar "arms?" look terrible. 1 was disconnected and the other looks to be following closely. Hopefully the noise is coming from the imbalance caused by 1 connected and 1 not.. If this doesnt work, it would have to be my front U joints and i dread replacing all that because i am lacking on knowledge and tools to do it myself and i refuse to pay my local shop $250 to change a 15 dollar piece.

Soo, wish me some luck. Shouldn't be hard to do this first job but if its not fixed, im spending my weekend learning how do deal with U joints. Enjoy the pics of my pain..

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Old 03-21-2014, 09:58 AM   #2
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I'd definitely start with that broken swaybar link. The pieces usually bang into each other as the suspension cycles and cause some noise and clunking feeling. In order for the sway bar to work, it must be connected on both ends, so right now it isn't doing its job at all.

Here is a time saving tip for how to remove the old sway bar links. Disconnect the links from the axle side and then remove the sway bar with links attached by removing the bushings where the sway bar attaches to the frame. Carefully lift the entire assembly out of the front of the jeep. Then do this to remove the links:


They have a press fit where the links mount to the sway bar, so you can pry on them for a long time trying to get them off, or just bite the bullet and take the sway bar off and use this method. I find it to be much faster and a lot less frustrating. Not that it matters in your case, but this is also the way to get them off if you don't want to damage the links in the process.

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Thanks. That sounds good but i dont have a torx wrench big enough to fit the damn bolt. Any idea what size it is?
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I have read that it is a T-55. I can't verify that though since I don't have that bolt on my rig any longer.

Just for comparison - T-55 also happens to be the size of the torx head bolts on the factory tow hook bolts on the front bumper.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:42 PM   #5
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Thanks. That sounds good but i dont have a torx wrench big enough to fit the damn bolt. Any idea what size it is?
if you're doing the work yourself just buy a set from Harbor Freight. You'll need them on other parts of the Jeep.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:50 PM   #6
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It is indeed a T-55
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:01 PM   #7
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Thanks all. Was a t-55. Grabbed one at Advanced. Bad news. Got the arms replaced but noise is still present. Although not as bad as before. I dont want to replace the ball joints because money is tight and they are like $150 a piece. Im thinking its the U joint now, my gfs dad called it a cv joint but he admits the pat he is no mechanic. Anyone know a way to test these?

My only thought is to strip the passenger side tire, breaks, caliper, and just drag the damn thing out.. From there i suppose it would be easy to tell? Any advice?
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:08 PM   #8
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Pull the front drive shaft and see if the noise goes away if so. There are 3 u joints on it and 1 cv joint. The press for changing to hose can be borrowed for free from orileys or auto zone.

Spicer 5-1310X U-Joint Kit by Spicer http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009X1X91O/..._H5pltb1PTP83G

Moog 617 CV Ball Repair Kit by Moog http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008M2G99E/..._q6pltb1B843VA

Not sure how to check axle ones without pulling them other than assume it's them if noise is still there with front driveshaft off. Here they are.

Spicer 5-760X U-Joint Kit by Spicer http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009X1XDZG/..._N9pltb0Q7KGE5
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:12 PM   #9
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no way a ball joint should cost you $150, unless that includes paying someone to install it.

To test the u-joint take a large screwdriver or breaker bar and wedge it between the knuckle and the u-joint and use it to try and move the u-joint. If it's bad you should see movement within the u-joint.
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no way a ball joint should cost you $150, unless that includes paying someone to install it. To test the u-joint take a large screwdriver or breaker bar and wedge it between the knuckle and the u-joint and use it to try and move the u-joint. If it's bad you should see movement within the u-joint.
Agree on ball joint price. That's a cool u joint test I never heard of. Thanks. Here's all four for a buck twenty. Alloy USA 11800 Upper/Lower Ball Joint Kit for Jeep Wrangler/Grand Cherokee - 4 Piece by Alloy USA http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009RP89V6/..._Wjqltb0Z709N3

Edit 2 and the tool for these can be borrowed from orielys and the zone for free.
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:38 PM   #11
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Sorry, i was looking at the wheel hub and bearing for 150. Like i said, im stupid when it comes to this stuff but i thought by replacing the wheel hub, you were replacing the ball joints. Thought it was all the same.
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Pull the front drive shaft and see if the noise goes away if so. There are 3 u joints on it and 1 cv joint. The press for changing to hose can be borrowed for free from orileys or auto zone. Spicer 5-1310X U-Joint Kit by Spicer http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009X1X91O/..._H5pltb1PTP83G Moog 617 CV Ball Repair Kit by Moog http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008M2G99E/..._q6pltb1B843VA Not sure how to check axle ones without pulling them other than assume it's them if noise is still there with front driveshaft off. Here they are. Spicer 5-760X U-Joint Kit by Spicer http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009X1XDZG/..._N9pltb0Q7KGE5



I was going to try to use a hammer to replace the U joints if it came to that.. Watched my grandpa do it. Seems easy enough.
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:54 PM   #13
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That tool is free! I did this before I found out about it.

Changing a U Joint with a C Clamp Walkthrough
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:58 PM   #14
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Your ball joints should be pressed in with a ball joint press so that you don't get them wedged in there crooked otherwise your gonna be doing them again. Another way you can test your ball joints is by taking and jacking the front up one side at a time about 2.5 inches and then stick a shovel under the tire like a pry bar from the front and push up and down on it an you can see them easier that way since you will be in front of the jeep rather than on the side.
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Old 03-22-2014, 12:13 AM   #15
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So it the tires move up and down at all, its a ball joint issue?
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Old 03-22-2014, 12:16 AM   #16
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Can you post videos on here? If so, im going to take the doors off tomorrow and try to record the sound. Maybe you all will have heard it before..
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You can post YouTube links.
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Old 03-22-2014, 12:19 AM   #18
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Okay. I'll try to get something posted.
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You should have a little bit of up and down tire movement but you will be able to see the ball joints when you pry up and down on it and see if the steering knuckle is moving at all. If it is the you probably need to replace the ball joints.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:52 PM   #20
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Hey guys. It got cold and snowed so i couldn't get a vid posted. Took it to a friend and he said knuckle joint. So i removed the drive train to see if the noise stops. I had to remove the skid plate to get to the bolts. Can i drive it without the skid plate or does that need to be put back on?
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Hey guys. It got cold and snowed so i couldn't get a vid posted. Took it to a friend and he said knuckle joint. So i removed the drive train to see if the noise stops. I had to remove the skid plate to get to the bolts. Can i drive it without the skid plate or does that need to be put back on?
If you're talking about the transfer case skid plate, it's actually a support for the drivetrain. So driving with it off: bad idea.
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If you're talking about the transfer case skid plate, it's actually a support for the drivetrain. So driving with it off: bad idea.
X2 transmission is basically hanging off your engine right now with a lot of leverage.
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Yeah. I did a little research and put it on. Its a pain in the ass for 1 person. Regardless, the noise is gone without the drive shaft and it looks like a universal went bad. Possibly the entire knuckle joint. Thanks for everyones help!

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