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Old 11-28-2008, 01:24 AM   #1
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Question Lug nuts keep loosening up.

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First off, I Hope everyone had a great Turkey Day!

I purchased my 98 TJ about 3 months ago. While I was looking at it, I noticed that the lug nuts were loose on the rear drivers side wheel. The guy claimed that he just had the tires rotated, and that the people at the shop must have missed a couple. At the time it seemed reasonable, because I've had that happen to me before. Now, just like everything else that this guy told me, I'm finding out that this was a lie as well.

I was cleaning the wheels earlier today and noticed that they were loose again on the same wheel. Obviously, I tightened them right up. What I can't understand is what is actually causing them to loosen up in the first place. Any ideas, or suggestions on how to fix this?

All the rest of lugs on the the other wheels were okay, except for 1 on the right rear. This one just turns and turns, and NEVER gets tight. What's going on?

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Old 11-28-2008, 07:12 AM   #2
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They may not be the correct style lugnuts put a little loctite on them that might work the one that keeps spinning may be the nut or the stud stripped out give us a close up pic of one of the lugs

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Old 11-28-2008, 09:15 AM   #3
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The lug studs are pressed into the axle shaft. If you bottom out the lug stud inside the lug nut you can effectively twist the lug stud inside the axle shaft. Or, the tire monkey did a bang up job using his torque sticks. You need to pull the wheel off and pull the brake drum. You will see where the splines of the lug stud go into the axle shaft. You should be able to tell from there what the problem is.

It is a cheap fix. Should be around 10-20 dollars to replace all the lug studs. I would get new studs, lug nuts, and a proper torque wrench. If you have a Dana 44 rear end you should buy longer lug studs since it looks like you have aftermarket wheels. The correct thread pitch is 1/2"x20RH.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:50 AM   #4
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It sounds like they were over tightened and stripped, take a close look at the threads of the problem lugs, if there all tore up it's time for new lugs. Does the lug nut that spins on the lug work properly on another lug? If it turns out to be a problem with the lugs then call around to a few shops and see how much they will charge you to replace them, if it's only the lug nuts steal them from your spare and order some replacements.

If your a do it yourselfer you can remove and replace the lugs yourself. To remove the stud just pound it out with a hammer, be very careful not to hit anything else but the lug itself. There's a few ways to install the new one, it wouldn't hurt to put the new lug in the freezer to shrink it up a little but you don't need to. Put the lug in place, slip some washers over the lug and tighten the lug nut until it pulls the lug all the way in, if it doesn't pull it all the way in, add more washers.

If your having problems with a few of your lugs/lug nuts then the guy probably over tightened all of them.

New lug nuts never hurt!

While your in there check your brakes and grease your suspension.

PSH... Figures Mr. Clifford beat me to it by seconds.
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Old 11-28-2008, 05:07 PM   #5
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The threads look to be fine on the wheel that keeps loosening up. On the nut itself it says 1/2-2, so I believe these are the right nuts. I'm hesitant to pull the other wheel off (the one with the nut that just spins) because I don't want to break or pull that stud out if it is stripped. At this point I'm baffled. Maybe I should just take it into a shop to see what they say, then go from there if I can do the job myself.
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I wouldn't drive my junk knowing I had loose lug nuts. Of course, I've had first hand experience with this exact problem.

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Old 11-29-2008, 10:12 PM   #7
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HOLY SH*T! That's crazy.

nice look'n rig though
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WOW! that looks like it sucked
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I wouldn't drive my junk knowing I had loose lug nuts. Of course, I've had first hand experience with this exact problem.
ditto. i lost a rear tire driving down the beach a couple years ago. My dana 35 was missing a stud and somehow the other ones weren't tight enough. PITA
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So what did u find out?

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look 4 streched studs that will do it every time
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Old 12-05-2008, 04:53 PM   #12
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It's been parked for a week. Being as I can't visually see what the problem is, I am probably going to have a shop look at it, and go from there. I don't want to end up like Mr. Clifford. That just looks too heart breaking man.
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Lots of good answers posted, I have personal experience with almost losing a wheel during Detroit rush hour. Turned out to be corrosion* on the mounting surface of the aluminum wheel.
*Aluminum oxide - breaks down due to the wheel flexing and you lose clampload.

Make sure they clean the mating surfaces between the wheel and axle!
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Lots of good answers posted, I have personal experience with almost losing a wheel during Detroit rush hour. Turned out to be corrosion* on the mounting surface of the aluminum wheel.
*Aluminum oxide - breaks down due to the wheel flexing and you lose clampload.

Make sure they clean the mating surfaces between the wheel and axle!
Are you sure? Oxidized aluminum is stronger than regular one.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:15 PM   #15
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I took the TJ into the shop today. Obviously, the lug nut that wouldn't tighten up was stripped. (the stud was stripped I mean) We pretty much knew that though. No biggie.

But what was causing the other lug nuts to come loose on the other wheel was the wheel itself I guess. There is some damage to the wheel on the inside which is not letting it mount properly. After a while of driving it like that the lugs loosen. The guy said the damage was probably caused from the lugs being left loose at one point, and the old owner not realizing it, probably just kept driving it like that, and caused the damage. But who knows what really happened, ya know. The guy I bought it from was a real tool, and mislead me on numerous things.

So, now the spare wheel is in its place, and the other one will only be good for a point A to point B spare. (literally) I'm just glad that my spare wheel is a match to the existing set. That way I won't have the headache of trying to find one to match, or have to eat the cost of buying a new set of 5.

I hope this is the last of my problems from this guy, but somehow I'm sure there is more that he managed to hide.

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