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Old 10-14-2012, 08:27 AM   #61
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My yj and jk were manuals and fun to drive. My lj is auto and fun to drive and my cj is manual and as for now a pita to drive. There's really no better or worse option.

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Old 10-14-2012, 08:39 AM   #62
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My TJ is a manual because thats what I wanted. Manuals are just more fun to drive. My wifes Olds Alero and my S10 are manuals, bought them both new that way. My Trans Am was a 4 speed but I drag race it now and an automatic makes it more consistent. My tow rig, a 99 GMC Sierra 4x4 is an automatic as well. Depending on the purpose one is better then the other but for all out fun driving I'll take a manual any day.

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My TJ is the first auto I've ever owned (wifey's cars don't count) 26 years of driving. Coming into the Jeep community from the sports car world, specifically autocross, I assumed I would prefer a manual as I always had previously.

Boy was I wrong. I've driven tractors (and a few rowboats) that felt better than the gearbox on the manual jeeps I test drove. Must have been 20, so I know it wasn't a fluke.

At first I assumed there was some performance benefit to a manual tranny in a Jeep, as there had been with my cars. Was pleasantly surprised to find out the opposite is true.

In autocross, I found that I actually saved a lot of time, money, and frustration by asking the best performers lots of questions... essentially copying their setups to a large extent. I'll most definitely follow the same method as I modify my jeep over the years. Blaine, Bransford, the top KOH competitors, etc. prefer an automatic and back up their preferences with actual data. So, I went auto and never looked back.
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My TJ is the first auto I've ever owned (wifey's cars don't count) 26 years of driving. Coming into the Jeep community from the sports car world, specifically autocross, I assumed I would prefer a manual as I always had previously.

Boy was I wrong. I've driven tractors (and a few rowboats) that felt better than the gearbox on the manual jeeps I test drove. Must have been 20, so I know it wasn't a fluke.

At first I assumed there was some performance benefit to a manual tranny in a Jeep, as there had been with my cars. Was pleasantly surprised to find out the opposite is true.

In autocross, I found that I actually saved a lot of time, money, and frustration by asking the best performers lots of questions... essentially copying their setups to a large extent. I'll most definitely follow the same method as I modify my jeep over the years. Blaine, Bransford, the top KOH competitors, etc. prefer an automatic and back up their preferences with actual data. So, I went auto and never looked back.
I prefer an auto but that doesn't mean anything other than that is my preference. I've built rigs for folks that run manuals and they are far more capable than my rig in the rocks and I don't stand a chance catching them in the high speed stuff either.

I typically only post in these type threads to correct a lot of the misconceptions and to let folks know at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

If you are happy with your choice, that is all that matters.
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Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
I did forget one thing, depending on the crowd you run with, they may be expecting you to hop out of your rig with a skirt on if you run an auto. Of course, most of those folks fall into the sub 25 going on 12 year old mentality, so it's all good.
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I did forget one thing, depending on the crowd you run with, they may be expecting you to hop out of your rig with a skirt on if you run an auto. Of course, most of those folks fall into the sub 25 going on 12 year old mentality, so it's all good.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:48 PM   #68
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had two manuels ,now have auto. wouldn't have anything else , but it's preferance . good luck!!!
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:00 PM   #69
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there are simply to many reasons why.
if your starter dies you can push start it
if your battery dies you can push start it.
you never have to worry about overheating a manual
you cant puncture a manual transmission fluid cooler with a tree branch (true story but your radiator wont love you either)

its just an easier transmission over the life of the vehicle. in the rocks an auto does rock (no pun intended), but a stock auto wont live there either! plus when you need to rebuild it your looking at 2500-3K depending if you do it yourself or you upgrade at the time... if your handy with tools i can do a clutch for 300-400 bucks. doing an auto by myself is still 1500-2500. but Ill take a manual for reliability and lack of needed maintenance. WHen you do a lift and tires you can really tell a difference between a stick and an auto car. ESPECIALLY if you do not regear immediately.
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...if your battery dies you can push start it.
That won't work with a Wrangler. If the battery is dead, you can push start it 'til the cows come home and it won't start. The alternator requires 12 volts from the battery before it can power the ignition system which means if the battery is too weak or dead, the engine can't be push started.

You can push start all vehicles with generators, and you can push start some vehicles with some alternators, but you can't push start any Jeep made in the past 20 years if the battery is dead or too weak.
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I disagree. I have bump started my wrangler before to get it to the auto parts store to get a new battery. Wouldn't even click, much less turn over but I had success bump starting it to get it going.
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I also have push started with a dead battery.
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You may have bump started your TJs but they would have only started if the battery was not truly dead, it was still able to power the alternator. The engine absolutely will not (!) run with a truly dead battery.

If the Jeep could still be bump started, the battery wasn't completely dead. Go disconnect your battery and see if it can be bump started.

One last note... some may try disconnecting their battery to see if the engine dies. The engine WILL continue to run... but for a short period of time until the remaining magnetic field in the alternator collapses from lack of power from the battery. Then the engine will die.
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You may have bump started your TJs but they would have only started if the battery was not truly dead, it was still able to power the alternator. The engine absolutely will not (!) run with a truly dead battery.

If the Jeep could still be bump started, the battery wasn't completely dead. Go disconnect your battery and see if it can be bump started.

One last note... some may try disconnecting their battery to see if the engine dies. The engine WILL continue to run... but for a short period of time until the remaining magnetic field in the alternator collapses from lack of power from the battery. Then the engine will die.
so not to troll, but wouldn't that mean the longer it ran with the battery disconnected the better the alternator? cuz my 75 dj-5 ran for at least 10 minutes before i put the cable back on once.
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so not to troll, but wouldn't that mean the longer it ran with the battery disconnected the better the alternator? cuz my 75 dj-5 ran for at least 10 minutes before i put the cable back on once.
Older vehicles with generators and most early alternators were self-exciting which means they did not require a battery to work. I confined my comments to Wranglers, you're referring back to older charging systems that could indeed work and engines could indeed run (as I said above) without the battery.

Trust me guys, current Wranglers won't run for long without a battery and they can't be bump started if the battery is completely dead. Not almost dead, not just weak, completely dead.
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Never tried it but good to know....lol.

I prefer manual... but auto would be much nicer to have on the trails.

My Jeep being a daily driver and weekend warrior (well... every once in a while warrior) I like having my manual.
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so, im gonna put that old ass 135 amp alternator on my TJ. seems like the thing to do.
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so, im gonna put that old ass 135 amp alternator on my TJ. seems like the thing to do.
It probably won't work, the TJ alternator system's voltage regulator is inside the PCM (engine computer) and it won't be happy with just any alternator.
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true. hmmm
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Manuals are more fun,Autos can be easier to drive.Back when mine was new in '01,the auto was a 3 speed,no overdrive,got worse gas mileage,& cost $900 more to buy!
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You may have bump started your TJs but they would have only started if the battery was not truly dead, it was still able to power the alternator. The engine absolutely will not (!) run with a truly dead battery.

If the Jeep could still be bump started, the battery wasn't completely dead. Go disconnect your battery and see if it can be bump started.

One last note... some may try disconnecting their battery to see if the engine dies. The engine WILL continue to run... but for a short period of time until the remaining magnetic field in the alternator collapses from lack of power from the battery. Then the engine will die.
your jeep will not run with the battery disconnected because you have then opened the circuit...(alternator +battery + computer), you take away battery (alternator-no battery-no power to computer). as long as the alternator will charge 12v+ the computer can have power. the battery could have a dead cell, the battery could be .02 volts in reserve... and at some level the jeep WILL RUN. I've done it to many times with to many DEAD batteries lol. We can argue about it but it does work, and has for me!
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your jeep will not run with the battery disconnected because you have then opened the circuit...(alternator +battery + computer), you take away battery (alternator-no battery-no power to computer). as long as the alternator will charge 12v+ the computer can have power. the battery could have a dead cell, the battery could be .02 volts in reserve... and at some level the jeep WILL RUN. I've done it to many times with to many DEAD batteries lol. We can argue about it but it does work, and has for me!
If you have an old enough YJ Wrangler as your avitar indicates may be the case, you are correct... but this is the TJ Wrangler forum and a TJ ABSOLUTELY will not run with a dead battery. Period. This is true for other newer models of Jeeps too.

I already indicated above that when they are old enough, older models of Jeeps can indeed run without a battery, with a dead battery, and can be bump started. This just isn't the case with a Wrangler TJ and other current Jeep models.

This is not a subject I'm not well versed in.
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If you have an old enough YJ Wrangler as your avitar indicates may be the case, you are correct... but this is the TJ Wrangler forum and a TJ ABSOLUTELY will not run with a dead battery. Period. This is true for other newer models of Jeeps too.

I already indicated above that when they are old enough, older models of Jeeps can indeed run without a battery, with a dead battery, and can be bump started. This just isn't the case with a Wrangler TJ and other current Jeep models.

This is not a subject I'm not well versed in.
I will side with Jerry. I have an '02 and when my battery died I must have pushed that thing up a little hill with some help about 8 times before I was like 'F' this and went and bought a new battery
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I have a manual, but if I ever dare to take on a magnum swap, an auto is what I'll be using. Easier to swap in. Manual is awesome, but my car is already manual.
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I like driving my 5sp. I learned to drive in a 54 chevy pu but when I moved to the city w/ traffic the auto was what I had for the next 20yrs. I did not really realize how I missed the stick until i test drove the jeep. I did all my 4wheeling in my dodge w/ an auto. The auto was much easier to wheel. Did not have to plan when in advance when to grab another gear but did have to be careful not overheat the tranny or fry brakes. Auto easier over obstacles or long grades but manual much easier and in control coming down steep loose grades
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If you have an old enough YJ Wrangler as your avitar indicates may be the case, you are correct... but this is the TJ Wrangler forum and a TJ ABSOLUTELY will not run with a dead battery. Period. This is true for other newer models of Jeeps too.

I already indicated above that when they are old enough, older models of Jeeps can indeed run without a battery, with a dead battery, and can be bump started. This just isn't the case with a Wrangler TJ and other current Jeep models.

This is not a subject I'm not well versed in.
He's right. Trust me. I've tried to bump start a tj. It doesn't work.
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there are simply to many reasons why.
if your starter dies you can push start it
I'm fairly certain to some folks that may make a difference, but I've been working on the TJ for a very long time and I own 4 of them. I've yet to replace a starter in any of them. While I'm not silly enough to believe that experience will hold true for everyone, I'm pretty confident that is a very poor reason to pick a transmission.

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if your battery dies you can push start it.
If by dies you mean dead enough that it needs replacing, then you would be incorrect. If you mean is has enough voltage left to excite the alternator but not turn the engine over fast enough to start it, then maybe. Again, a poor reason to base a trans choice upon.

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I run an AW-4, a 32RH, a 30RH, and a 42RLE. The only one that really "needs" a cooler and that's subjective is the 42 and I don't have one on it. I do have one on the 32 which is in front of 40" tires and the only time I've even warmed it up was towing a 40' Class A back up to the road when it was really sandy once and I was in 4lo spinning all 4 about 2 miles worth going 5-10 mph. And then it only move the needle up into the yellow zone on the B&M temp gauge. I don't think it's much of a concern.
you cant puncture a manual transmission fluid cooler with a tree branch (true story but your radiator wont love you either)

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its just an easier transmission over the life of the vehicle. in the rocks an auto does rock (no pun intended), but a stock auto wont live there either!
Not sure how you arrived at that. I've never seen one die in 12 years of going to JV which has a rock or two.

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I just had one quoted today for 1300 for a 32. In the last few years I've done complete swaps removing manuals and replacing them with known good autos. I've done several AW-4's into TJ and a couple of 32RH's. So far, all of them have been less than your rebuild price including the labor to do the swap and build custom crossmembers to hold them up. That's not with high mileage junk transmissions either. The last two AW-4's I swapped in had less than 6000 miles each on them.

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if your handy with tools i can do a clutch for 300-400 bucks. doing an auto by myself is still 1500-2500.
To be fair, the clutch is the same level of maintenance item as is the torque convertor in an auto. I've replaced far more clutches than I've replaced torque convertors or blown up autos. Not that it matters in this discussion other than I swap a lot of them into the TJ, but the average AW-4 runs about 300,000 miles before it needs pulled and gone through.

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but Ill take a manual for reliability and lack of needed maintenance. WHen you do a lift and tires you can really tell a difference between a stick and an auto car. ESPECIALLY if you do not regear immediately.
In the TJ if you don't abuse either trans, they are both pretty reliable. Maintenance is cheap, low cost and infrequent so I don't really believe that is a real factor.

As to your re-gear thing. Yes, you can sure tell a difference and the one thing you won't do on a regular basis is take a manual with 3:73's, the stock t-case, 35's, and go play in JV. You can do that with the 32RH though with no ill effect.
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In my old truck if i stalled it I could leave it in gear and lurch over a rock by using the starter. Or on a a steep grade i could restart in gear so not roll back. It was a 54 with the start button on the floor. It took at a minimum of three feet to start. In my jeep I have push the clutch all the way in for "saftey". Can that be disabled easily?

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