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Old 11-07-2012, 11:43 AM   #1
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The headlights on my wife's 2001 wrangler stopped working the other night. All other lights work, including the high beams, so if I rotate the selector knob to the headlight position, only the amber driving lights come on. If I then pull the lever back to the high beam position, I get high beams.

I'm thinking it's likely a problem with the lamp module located on the steering column, but don't know for sure or how to test. If anyone has experienced this problem before, or replaced the module, I'd be grateful for any feedback.

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Are you 100@ sure the low beams are not burnt out? I had that hapen on a bronco I owned. Both low beams burn out with in hrs of each other

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Are you 100@ sure the low beams are not burnt out? I had that hapen on a bronco I owned. Both low beams burn out with in hrs of each other
It's possible, but seemed unlikely that they would both go at the same time. I will check though, always best to start with the obvious stuff.

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One of mine had the low beam burn out a month ago. I didnt give the other one a chance to. For 10 bucks a piece i just replaced them both.
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If its not a bulb pull the steering column open and check that.
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any luck
Haven't had a chance to look at it yet, will dig into it this weekend.

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Turns out the simple solution was the answer. Dual bulb failure. All fixed.

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Turns out the simple solution was the answer. Dual bulb failure. All fixed.

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I had this problem and just replaced the bulbs.. still no headlights. Anyone have any ideas? Also the high beam indicator does not come on when the high beams are on if that helps.
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I had this problem and just replaced the bulbs.. still no headlights. Anyone have any ideas? Also the high beam indicator does not come on when the high beams are on if that helps.
Checked fuses? Headlight switch?
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Because there is no relay used in the headlight circuit, the TJ's OE headlight switch contacts see all of the current drawn by the headlights. So because of that, it's not uncommon for the headlight switch to burn out, I would replace it with a good quality OE Mopar switch... and did so in my previous TJ for the same issue. I recommended the Mopar switch because it's difficult/hit-or-miss to get decent quality replacement parts from sources like Autozone.
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Checked fuses? Headlight switch?
I don't think there is a fuse specifically for low beams and I am unsure of how to check the switch without replacing it
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Because there is no relay used in the headlight circuit, the TJ's OE headlight switch contacts see all of the current drawn by the headlights. So because of that, it's not uncommon for the headlight switch to burn out, I would replace it with a good quality OE Mopar switch... and did so in my previous TJ for the same issue. I recommended the Mopar switch because it's difficult/hit-or-miss to get decent quality replacement parts from sources like Autozone.
I've read on other forums it may not be since my indicator doesn't turn on with the brights. When I leave the lights on and open the door it flashes though so I know the light still works.
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My experience was the same with the Multifunction Switch. On my 05 Rubicon I had the problem where the fog lamps were on all the time. Bought the first MFS on ebay and it was defective. Bought the second one from Quadratec and that one was DOA with a different problem. The third purchase was from my Dealer and it worked perfectly and still does.
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My experience was the same with the Multifunction Switch. On my 05 Rubicon I had the problem where the fog lamps were on all the time. Bought the first MFS on ebay and it was defective. Bought the second one from Quadratec and that one was DOA with a different problem. The third purchase was from my Dealer and it worked perfectly and still does.
I will only buy electrical parts from the dealer . You get what you pay for and aftermarket parts come mainly from China and profit is the only concern from the companies that sell that crap.
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I got one from auto zone and it seems to have done the trick for now. If it breaks it has a warranty on it but once that's up of it breaks I went hesitate to go back to the dealership.
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Are the dealership parts actually made here???
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Are the dealership parts actually made here???
Who cares? Even if they're from Mexico, dealer parts must be made to meet Mopar specifications. If Autozone buys them, they don't have to be made to the same quality level.
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The mfs I bought from advance auto had a lifetime warranty so $30, no reason to buy a stealership part in my mind....after replacing once, next time would probably be a 10 minute job if that.
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What few understand about lifetime warranties from chain auto parts stores is the warranty is definitely no indication of quality. Stores include the lifetime warranty knowing full well that few people own their vehicles very long after making repairs of this level so the store's financial exposure from possible future warranty replacements is next to nothing.

I bought a waterpump with a lifetime warranty from Autozone years ago and upon unboxing it, I found it so shoddily constructed that I returned it for a refund and bought a Mopar waterpump.

The bottom line is that I'd MUCH rather have a Mopar part with a one year warranty than a chain auto parts store part with its lifetime warranty. Especially on critical parts.
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What few understand about lifetime warranties from chain auto parts stores is the warranty is definitely no indication of quality. Stores include the lifetime warranty knowing full well that few people own their vehicles very long after making repairs of this level so their exposure is next to nothing. I bought a waterpump with a lifetime warranty from Autozone years ago and upon unboxing it, I found it so shoddily constructed that I returned it for a refund and bought a Mopar waterpump. The bottom line is that I'd MUCH rather have a Mopar part with a one year warranty than a chain auto parts store part with its lifetime warranty.
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" Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
[chuckles until he sees that Ted is not laughing]
Ted Nelson, Customer: [impatiently] What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.
Ted Nelson, Customer: But why do they put a guarantee on the box?
Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."
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To quote a great movie:

" Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
[chuckles until he sees that Ted is not laughing]
Ted Nelson, Customer: [impatiently] What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.
Ted Nelson, Customer: But why do they put a guarantee on the box?
Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."
Perfect quote but if money wasn't already tight, me being In college and all, then I would have gone to the dealership instead.
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Is the dealership switch that much better?...really??...
Look how many guys are in here with factory switch issues. Couldn't be that good...

Comparing that to a water pump isn't the same thing, as water pump is a more involved repair, as well if the pump fails you could damage your motor.

Switch, not so much....
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Mopar buys crap parts too they don't make most of their parts but they still mark the price higher for fools who don't understand

A lot of parts including some water pumps are rebuilt on original castings

It was completion from foreign companies that forced the big three to improve quality because without quality competition the big three were producing low quality crap not designed to last

Example Chevy 350 v8 heads with pressed in valve rocker studs that worked loosten / pull up Utill rocker no longer opened the valves all to save a few pennies on tapping the holes and using screw in studs

They became more interested in making sure your vehicle needed replaced and inflating union benefits for not working

You have any idea how much the bail out padded the union pockets while screwing the investors and the tax payers it was a process that would have been illegal under bankruptcy law but a special deal for the UAW because of their corrupt payoff to the dems

Craftsman used to have a no bs lifetime warranty now it it full of fine print corporate tricks like need to return full set with original receipt and maybe even packaging

Does Jerry think the craftsman warranty meant the stuff was crap

Take brake pads on 300zx rear caliper they last a couple years so a lifetime warranty got me about 10 sets on my cars. None had abnormal failure or other probs and only way to last longer is harder pads that wear rotor more ( no thanks)
Or bay 4 times as much for Nissan and pay again every two years

My wife got the key stuck in start position on her rubi and fried the starter
Bought replacement at autozone ( turned in core so they still work off factory parts ) works fine and if happens agin will get another free or go moose for at least twice as much

Buy American is socialist union excuse to get fools to buy whatever crap they make with a little racism thrown in by a subset
They said it about Japan then Taiwan and now china but their QA keeps improving and they actually make affordable product

You know what. Added to all tire cost POtUS slapping an import duty on tires so local made could hack up the price

Protectionism was a driving force behind the Great Depression look up Smute Hawley
It fails every-time it is tried

I remember a bolt seller the unit price was 5 cents but if you want it tested certified and with a certificate he grabs one from same bin puts on a cert and charges 12 bucks but now that same bolt meets gov specs
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Mopar buys crap parts too they don't make most of their parts but they still mark the price higher for fools who don't understand

A lot of parts including some water pumps are rebuilt on original castings

It was completion from foreign companies that forced the big three to improve quality because without quality competition the big three were producing low quality crap not designed to last

Example Chevy 350 v8 heads with pressed in valve rocker studs that worked loosten / pull up Utill rocker no longer opened the valves all to save a few pennies on tapping the holes and using screw in studs

They became more interested in making sure your vehicle needed replaced and inflating union benefits for not working

You have any idea how much the bail out padded the union pockets while screwing the investors and the tax payers it was a process that would have been illegal under bankruptcy law but a special deal for the UAW because of their corrupt payoff to the dems

Craftsman used to have a no bs lifetime warranty now it it full of fine print corporate tricks like need to return full set with original receipt and maybe even packaging

Does Jerry think the craftsman warranty meant the stuff was crap

Take brake pads on 300zx rear caliper they last a couple years so a lifetime warranty got me about 10 sets on my cars. None had abnormal failure or other probs and only way to last longer is harder pads that wear rotor more ( no thanks)
Or bay 4 times as much for Nissan and pay again every two years

My wife got the key stuck in start position on her rubi and fried the starter
Bought replacement at autozone ( turned in core so they still work off factory parts ) works fine and if happens agin will get another free or go moose for at least twice as much

Buy American is socialist union excuse to get fools to buy whatever crap they make with a little racism thrown in by a subset
They said it about Japan then Taiwan and now china but their QA keeps improving and they actually make affordable product

You know what. Added to all tire cost POtUS slapping an import duty on tires so local made could hack up the price

Protectionism was a driving force behind the Great Depression look up Smute Hawley
It fails every-time it is tried

I remember a bolt seller the unit price was 5 cents but if you want it tested certified and with a certificate he grabs one from same bin puts on a cert and charges 12 bucks but now that same bolt meets gov specs
Wow! Didn't realize what a fool I was until today. Thanks for clueing me in!
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Reading the above continued anti-American BS quoted above reaffirms that my recent decision to put him on Ignore was the right one. There will always be a few who will try to make buying American out to help keep our fellow Americans employed like it's a bad thing.
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Sounds like someone voted for Obama lol

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