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Old 09-18-2012, 05:17 PM   #1
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05 LJ been having all kinds off codes for misfires I have replaced coils and plugs look good as new, 20k miles on xp985 autolights...

The relay for the starter is clicking and starter is getting power but no crank....

The radio and all electronics come on, but it won't crank....

About to just arc the starter so I can get it home the wife is stuck in a parking lot and I am at work or this would have already be done, but she is afraid of shocking herself...

Any ideas on what to do would be awesome...... Thx in advance!!!!

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Old 09-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #2
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To start out I'd check the battery cable connections to make sure they are clean and tight. Could try a 'jump' to see if the battery is OK.

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To start out I'd check the battery cable connections to make sure they are clean and tight. Could try a 'jump' to see if the battery is OK.
Had the misses check that and it all looks good, optima yellow top not 6 months old....????
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:25 PM   #4
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Low battery?
Not all alternators last 10 years.
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Low battery?
Not all alternators last 10 years.
It is the starter relay!!!! $8s fixed!!!!!
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Have her tap on the starter could be it
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:06 PM   #7
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Damn it it isn't the relay...

Looking into it being cam syncro, and now my key is messing up sticking in the ignition cylinder.... Staying in the start position....

Can get it started with two people and a jumper wire not to happy
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:09 PM   #8
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"The relay for the starter is clicking and starter is getting power but no crank...."---Are you sure about that? With the "key messing up" I would suspect the actuator pin or less likely but possibility the ignition switch.

You can pull the starter relay & test to see if the 86 or 85 terminal in that socket gets power when you turn the key to start (one terminal should be grounded*, the other needs power to close the relay). That will tell you if the ignition switch is sending power to the relay. If not then either the switch is bad or the actuator pin is cracked/broken & not turning the switch to the start position. Either way you have to remove the cylinder/switch. It’s much more common for the pin to break. If you remove the pin you can then turn the switch with a screwdriver & probably start it. If the pin is good & turning the switch doesn’t power the relay, the switch is bad.


* If you don’t have a ground at one of the 2 (85 or 86) terminals when in park or neutral, the neutral safety switch is bad (auto trans) or clutch safety switch may be bad (manual). Those need to be grounded (through the PCM) to close the relay when getting power from the key.


Ignition actuator pin. Check this link for photos & video how-to. Those links are in post #2 Also see post #4 for a potential pitfall when replacing it (if it is broken). You will need a t-10 security bit or break the security pins in the security bolts with a small screwdriver or small punch & use a standard t-10 bit.

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If you want to start it make a short jumper wire, MAKE SURE THE JEEP IS IN NEUTRAL, pull the relay, & jump between the 30 & 87 terminals. As long as you have power at the 30 terminal (from the fuse #6 in the PDC) that will crank the engine unless the starter is bad. If you turn the key on & jump it, it will start. Just only touch the terminals long enough to start & pull the jumper so you don't damage the starter by having it engaged with the engine running.
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"The relay for the starter is clicking and starter is getting power but no crank...."---Are you sure about that? With the "key messing up" I would suspect the actuator pin or less likely but possibility the ignition switch.

You can pull the starter relay & test to see if the 86 or 85 terminal in that socket gets power when you turn the key to start (one terminal should be grounded*, the other needs power to close the relay). That will tell you if the ignition switch is sending power to the relay. If not then either the switch is bad or the actuator pin is cracked/broken & not turning the switch to the start position. Either way you have to remove the cylinder/switch. It’s much more common for the pin to break. If you remove the pin you can then turn the switch with a screwdriver & probably start it. If the pin is good & turning the switch doesn’t power the relay, the switch is bad.

* If you don’t have a ground at one of the 2 (85 or 86) terminals when in park or neutral, the neutral safety switch is bad (auto trans) or clutch safety switch may be bad (manual). Those need to be grounded (through the PCM) to close the relay when getting power from the key.

Ignition actuator pin. Check this link for photos & video how-to. Those links are in post #2 Also see post #4 for a potential pitfall when replacing it (if it is broken). You will need a t-10 security bit or break the security pins in the security bolts with a small screwdriver or small punch & use a standard t-10 bit.

2006 lj starting woes

If you want to start it make a short jumper wire, MAKE SURE THE JEEP IS IN NEUTRAL, pull the relay, & jump between the 30 & 87 terminals. As long as you have power at the 30 terminal (from the fuse #6 in the PDC) that will crank the engine unless the starter is bad. If you turn the key on & jump it, it will start. Just only touch the terminals long enough to start & pull the jumper so you don't damage the starter by having it engaged with the engine running.
I think your dead on with it is time to replace the key cylinder,


BUT now it doesn't want to start I have it cranking and the first 2secs it wants to start then just cranks if you let it set for a min and try again it will start after about the 15th try....

I think that has to do with the cam syncro and the cam position sensor... Found one from Doormann.com for $55 whole unit CPS and syncro NEW not remaned....
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What codes have you been fighting?

By any chance do you have a gray key (with the chip in it)? If the SKIM module goes bad it will start but die in 2 seconds. If you have the black key you don’t have SKIM.

I don't think that Dorman unit is for your '05. The ones called various things like “synchronizer” that have the cam sensor for that kind of price are for the '04s & back some yrs. The '05-‘06s use what is commonly called an OPDA (oil pump drive assembly) that has the cam sensor. The OEM is over $100 & I just read where Dorman now has one for the '05-'06s but lists for over $300. The OPDAs have been known to cause problems but not usually throwing codes or having drivability problems. If you get a code it would probably be P0016.

DTW The ignition switch is not part of the key cylinder but the switch (which has the electrical contacts) could be bad causing the issue you now described since the ignition & fuel delivery get power from the switch. Also the actuator pin can cause intermittent problems since when the tip breaks it can wedge in various positions where sometimes it will work then not. It’s not hard to pull it apart & check if you follow the video linked above.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:08 AM   #11
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[QUOTE="RUBI 4 MY MRS"]

I don't think that Dorman unit is for your '05. The ones called various things like “synchronizer” that have the cam sensor for that kind of price are for the '04s & back some yrs[QUOTE]

My build date is 11/04 called the dealer gave them the vin# they say my has the older cam synchronizer style SO that's why i got the cheaper one....
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:51 AM   #12
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And mine has black keys....
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:52 AM   #13
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Figured out why it won't start...

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Damn key cylinder finally gave out, damn there is a lot of #%&@ to remove to get the old cylinder out...

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Now just to change the cam sync and cam position sensor hope that fixes my misfires....
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I need the little pin that turns the ignition on and off Doormann.com has it for $32.99

Dodge dealer quoted me $780 because they say you have to replace whole steering column thats not happening lol!!!!!

Looks like I am ordering so parts...

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Old 09-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #16
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OK at least you will be able to start it.

As to the CMP issue, if you have the early version with the wires coming out the top & pointing to the firewall then the $32 Dorman will work. There have been several reports that they are slightly too big to fit into the block & have to be sanded down a few thousandths to get them in. If you only need the sensor you won’t have to pull the whole unit out. If you are having synchronizing issues then the unit may need replacement. Look at the bottom gear on the old one. If there is a lot of wear check the cam gear. On the later OPDAs excessive gear wear is an issue for some of us. Usually no drivability or trouble codes issues though.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:27 PM   #17
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Doorman part works great, runs awesome!!!!

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