PBR vs. Duralast rotors - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Tech Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 05-31-2007, 10:38 AM   #1
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
PBR vs. Duralast rotors

What's the difference? the PBR is $28/rotor and the Duralast is $55/rotor (i called autozone to confirm but they forgot i was on hold)..

__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 10:51 AM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2/40's View Post
What's the difference? the PBR is $28/rotor and the Duralast is $55/rotor (i called autozone to confirm but they forgot i was on hold)..
That's a bit confusing. PBR is an Australian company known for high quality calipers used on high performance OEM apps and a lot of aftermarket stuff that's high performance as well. The Cobra and Corvette OEM calipers are PBR.

I would guess their rotors are good, but have no experience with them.

mrblaine is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 10:58 AM   #3
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
sorry for the mix-up.. i was calling autozone to see if rotors were sold in sets or individually. at $55 i was hoping that was a set but i think that price is for one Duralast rotor only..

"high performance OEM apps and a lot of aftermarket stuff that's high performance as well" - i think i'm convinced, i'm going with the PBR... half the price + excellent quality = satisfied (&loyal) customer..
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 11:31 AM   #4
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 32,844
Images: 2
Just make sure it's an all-cast rotor and not the cheaper composite rotor design that came on earlier TJs. You can still buy composite rotors in the aftermarket so be wary there. All-cast hold up MUCH longer, can be turned at least several times, and are not prone to warping like the lighter weight composite rotors are. Avoid the gimmicky cross-drilled, slotted, or dimpled rotors too that don't help a Jeep's braking in the least.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 11:42 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2/40's View Post
sorry for the mix-up.. i was calling autozone to see if rotors were sold in sets or individually. at $55 i was hoping that was a set but i think that price is for one Duralast rotor only..

"high performance OEM apps and a lot of aftermarket stuff that's high performance as well" - i think i'm convinced, i'm going with the PBR... half the price + excellent quality = satisfied (&loyal) customer..
Please read what I said carefully. Their calipers are known for being high quality. I have no experience with their rotors.
mrblaine is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 12:09 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Just make sure it's an all-cast rotor and not the cheaper composite rotor design that came on earlier TJs. You can still buy composite rotors in the aftermarket so be wary there. All-cast hold up MUCH longer, can be turned at least several times, and are not prone to warping like the lighter weight composite rotors are. Avoid the gimmicky cross-drilled, slotted, or dimpled rotors too that don't help a Jeep's braking in the least.
OK! i checked out their website and it doesn't mention being all-cast.. does this mean it is not all-cast..

Here are the specifics as marketed for OEM Replacement disc rotors:

High-carbon, grey iron Lower noise propensity
Higher resistance to cracking

Optimised rotor design Significantly reduces rotor coning under high temperature

Unique ventilation Optimal cooling behaviour without increased mass
Improved resistance to thermal judder
Low transient and permanent deformation

Precise machining tolerances Extremely low brake shudder
Very low levels of lateral run-out
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 12:58 PM   #7
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 32,844
Images: 2
None of that indicates they are cast or composite. I would simply ask the manufacturer or the dealer to be sure that those are all cast rotors. Dang, there was a great comparison photo posted posted somewhere in the past week or two that shows the difference between cast and composite rotors, I couldn't find it though.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 04:11 PM   #8
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27
cast


composite

mrblaine is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 04:14 PM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2/40's View Post
OK! i checked out their website and it doesn't mention being all-cast.. does this mean it is not all-cast..

Here are the specifics as marketed for OEM Replacement disc rotors:

High-carbon, grey iron Lower noise propensity
Higher resistance to cracking

Optimised rotor design Significantly reduces rotor coning under high temperature

Unique ventilation Optimal cooling behaviour without increased mass
Improved resistance to thermal judder
Low transient and permanent deformation

Precise machining tolerances Extremely low brake shudder
Very low levels of lateral run-out
Description was written by an amateur.

There is no common descriptive term to describe any ailment brake rotors produce known as "shudder". The correct term is judder which sounds close to shudder, which is only used when you don't know what you're talking about.
mrblaine is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 04:44 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
Here is a pic of the PBR rotor.. looks cast..
Attached Images
 
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-31-2007, 05:51 PM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2/40's View Post
Here is a pic of the PBR rotor.. looks cast..

It is.
mrblaine is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-13-2007, 09:50 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
ok.. so i got my pbr rotors & pads in the mail yesterday, i'm putting everything on tomorrow.. can anyone provide me with the torques specs for this job?
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-13-2007, 03:44 PM   #13
Jack Lives Here!!!

WF Supporting Member
 
1BLKJP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 7,764
Changing pads and rotors there are only 7 lugs/bolts that you have to remove. I don't know exactly what the torque specs are for the 13mm bolts for the calipers, but don't lean on them to hard. You want to tighten them up just to the point where you feel it in your wrench. Don't want to strip them out.

The lugs should be about 110 pounds.
__________________
Thanks,
Jack Hickman

President - Arizona Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition
Vice-President - ASA4WDC
Arizona Rock Rats
1BLKJP is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-13-2007, 05:20 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
many many thanks!!
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-30-2007, 10:31 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
i finally got around to putting on the new pbr rotors & pads and now i'm getting the shakes at around 53 mph from the front right side. is it possible i have a balance issue?
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-02-2007, 09:18 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
driving to work this morning, i'm still getting the feedback from the front right wheel. ..still goes straight but i feel wobbling/hopping..

any ideas?? i didn't knock the weight off the tire.. the dealer did have to tighten my sway bar the last time i brought it in for service.. has anyone experienced this issue before? since the dealer tightened the sway bar i haven't touched it.
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-06-2007, 02:39 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
OK so i read the sticky re: deathwobble and i'm still perplexed..

the problem is that i didn't change my suspension.. only the rotors & pads.
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-07-2007, 11:51 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
dj_chizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 858
Send a message via AIM to dj_chizzle
BUMP

had any luck figuring out your problem? i will probably be doing my brakes next weekend for the first time and was wondering if there was anything i should look out for...
__________________
'04 Unlimited, Light Khaki Metallic
dj_chizzle is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-07-2007, 04:49 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
I pulled off the wheel and looked everthing over.. the only thing i noticed was that my tire was a little warped.. they're still fairly new.. so i checked out my spare tire (looking to swap the two) and noticed my spare has a brad sticking out of it.. when i get back home i'm going to swap both front tires to see if i can replicate the issue on the driver's side..

..the rotors came out of the package with a grease-like substance on them... you may have to wash that stuff off. i didn't, and after driving it around a bit and doing some down-hill braking, my brakes were smoking! i hosed them off and we had some rain for a few days and now i'm stopping smoothly and quickly. i've only done about 200 miles since the change and i'm still happy with the PBR rotors & pads...
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-08-2007, 11:53 AM   #20
Jeeper
 
erickpl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 2,330
Send a message via AIM to erickpl
Have you tried swapping the parts that you put on? I mean, swap the rotors from side to side and see if the problem follows the rotors. If so, you may have a bad rotor. If it doesn't follow it, the problem lies with the tire/wheel and just rebalance it.

Best way to track down new problems after doing a mod is to change the configuration. This process will isolate if the problem is the new rotor or the tire/wheel assembly.
__________________
-Paul

-97 TJ with a few mods. PM with questions.
erickpl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-11-2007, 10:19 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
good call erickpl!... i'm in ohio on business right now but as soon as i get back to NJ i'm swapping the rotors...

btw: i came across a thread on another jeep forum and someone had the same smoking issues i had after swapping in new rotors & pads (ebc performance)... it appears as if the rotors come out of the box coated with a sort of grease that aids the break-in process..
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-11-2007, 11:56 PM   #22
Newb
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2/40's View Post
it appears as if the rotors come out of the box coated with a sort of grease that aids the break-in process..
Ummmm, no. :chair: The rotors come covered with oil to keep them from rusting. You are supposed to remove it before installing them. Soap and water works wonders, or Simple Green. Do not use brake cleaner, it leaves a residue.
TJeeper is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-12-2007, 12:13 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJeeper View Post
Ummmm, no. :chair: The rotors come covered with oil to keep them from rusting. You are supposed to remove it before installing them. Soap and water works wonders, or Simple Green. Do not use brake cleaner, it leaves a residue.
I wish i had known that before i put them on.
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-12-2007, 08:41 AM   #24
Jeeper
 
erickpl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 2,330
Send a message via AIM to erickpl
Even the parts store will tell you to use brake cleaner, but that is still wrong. Residues will help prevent the pads from gripping properly. When I did my rotors last weekend, I hosed em both with a good shot of Simple Green, tilted them to have the excess run off, then set them in the sun for a few minutes to dry as I took the tires and old stuff off.

During break-in, your pads will likely stink if you are doing it correctly. Once broken in, they shouldn't have the smell or sound anymore.
__________________
-Paul

-97 TJ with a few mods. PM with questions.
erickpl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-30-2007, 09:19 AM   #25
Jeeper
 
2/40's's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_chizzle View Post
BUMP

had any luck figuring out your problem? i will probably be doing my brakes next weekend for the first time and was wondering if there was anything i should look out for...
I finally figured it out this weekend!! I took it to a local shop to have them balance the two front wheels and they tell me i have a bent rim.

They tell me these "type" of tires need to be rotated often. they pointed to a number of raised areas (in very broken english) but i'm suprised i have a bent rim considering i don't drive over potholes and i haven't taken it off road yet..

the brakes are still working fine..
__________________
a 10,000 mile journey begins with the first step...
2/40's is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-30-2007, 09:07 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
GrnTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pinckney, Michigan
Posts: 1,497
Send a message via AIM to GrnTJ
glad to hear you got it all worked out!

__________________
99' TJ-SOLD

Without a Jeep for now...
GrnTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
brake rotors and brakes foxinthemudd General Jeep Discussion 9 06-05-2008 11:41 AM
1999 TJ, 2/99 Build Date - Composite or Cast rotors? 300six TJ General Discussion Forum 5 11-06-2007 03:29 PM
Wrangler Brake Rotors?? OffRDer TJ Tech Forum 7 07-17-2007 06:22 PM
front rotors 4.0l sahara TJ General Discussion Forum 6 07-02-2007 02:41 PM
Power Slot Brake Rotors, Worth The cost? Sandhara TJ Tech Forum 4 05-29-2006 10:51 PM



Download our Mobile App

» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:56 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC