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Old 07-25-2014, 03:46 PM   #1
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Pitman arm help

The previous owner of my jeep put a 6" lift on it and got a drop pitman arm installed. Would that cause the steering to be super loose? Would putting a stock pitman arm and an adjustable front track bar fix that?

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The only time a dropped pitman arm should be used is if the frame end of the track bar has been dropped by the same amount. Dropped pitman arms are know for causing severe bump steer. Whether or not it has anything to do with your "loose" steering is anyone's guess. Take a few pics of your front suspension and post them up.

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I thought I remembered someone telling me that about my last jeep. It's raining pretty good where I'm at and when the right side tires went through a puddle it pulled the jeep hard right and I counter steered. After that the steering wheel has been off. I'll post pictures when it's not raining again.
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I thought I remembered someone telling me that about my last jeep. It's raining pretty good where I'm at and when the right side tires went through a puddle it pulled the jeep hard right and I counter steered. After that the steering wheel has been off. I'll post pictures when it's not raining again.
Where do you live in Florida, I'm on the east coast.
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I'm in Pensacola. On the gulf coast
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It won't cause the steering to be super loose but as already posted if it's not accompanied by a track bar relocation bracket it will cause massive bump steer. I just had the drop pitman arm replaced on the new to me 04 Rubicon with a stock arm. It had nasty bump steer when I bought it and the stock arm cleared it right up.
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I think bump steer is what is happening. When I hit a puddle or bump it pulls one direction or the other. Here is a picture of what I'm running right now.
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Looks like you do have the track bar relocation, pitman arm and drag link are parallel which is good. Might want to look for other worn componets. Have somebody move the wheel back and forth while you look for looseness in any of the tie rod ends/ball joints. Also grab the track bar and try to move it by hand. If it moves at all you have an issue.
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I think bump steer is what is happening. When I hit a puddle or bump it pulls one direction or the other. Here is a picture of what I'm running right now.
wow, that's all sorts of terrible.

What to remove:
1. Entire inverted-T steering linkage
2. Drop track bar bracket and track bar
3. drop pitman arm

What to install:
1. V8 ZJ tie-rod and TJ drag-link (stock inverted Y-steering)
2. Currie TJS/TJJ track bar setup
3. stock pitman arm

Then get an alignment. Then drive and re-evaluate. Bet it feels totally different. Also take note of the caster when you get an alignment. Make sure the caster is within a reasonable spec for your tire size.
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wow, that's all sorts of terrible. What to remove: 1. Entire inverted-T steering linkage 2. Drop track bar bracket and track bar 3. drop pitman arm What to install: 1. V8 ZJ tie-rod and TJ drag-link 2. Currie TJS/TJJ track bar setup 3. stock pitman arm Then get an alignment. Then drive and reevaluate. Bet it feels totally different.
You're gonna have to elaborate a little please. The currie track bar set up, are you just referring to the adjustable track bar?
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You're gonna have to elaborate a little please. The currie track bar set up, are you just referring to the adjustable track bar?
correct.
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wow, that's all sorts of terrible. What to remove: 1. Entire inverted-T steering linkage 2. Drop track bar bracket and track bar 3. drop pitman arm What to install: 1. V8 ZJ tie-rod and TJ drag-link (stock inverted Y-steering) 2. Currie TJS/TJJ track bar setup 3. stock pitman arm Then get an alignment. Then drive and re-evaluate. Bet it feels totally different. Also take note of the caster when you get an alignment. Make sure the caster is within a reasonable spec for your tire size.
And what are you referring to when you say the inverted t steering linkage?
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And what are you referring to when you say the inverted t steering linkage?
that POS steering you have is inverted-T steering. doesn't belong on a TJ, but yet plenty of bottom shelf manufacturers sell the crap to people that don't know any better....it's well known for tie-rod roll and a giant dead spot in the steering.

the stock steering is inverted-Y.

if you don't know what the differences are then get searching.
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The rough country steering thing right? The PO put all this shit on it and I'm trying to figure out what's what and fix it. I'll do some searching and find the fix. Thanks for the help!
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It's a thread in here a few threads down. Pretty much saying the crown product is the same as the ZJ set up. Is that the case? Would this be a bolt on replacement?
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Would this suffice for what I need? Attachment 1334649
Crown HD Steering Upgrade - Measurements - JeepForum.com
It's a thread in here a few threads down. Pretty much saying the crown product is the same as the ZJ set up. Is that the case? Would this be a bolt on replacement?
that is a bolt on replacement for part of your steering problem. you can also get all the same stuff from RockAuto or NAPA...

2x Tie-rod end: 269-2788 (Napa #) or Moog # ES3096L
2x Adjusting Sleeve: 269-1134 (Napa #) or Moog # ES2079S
Tie Rod: NCP 269-6085 (Napa #) or Moog # DS1312
Drag Link: MOOG Part # DS1430
You also need:
Pitman Arm: OMIX-ADA Part # 1800605
Currie 9120TJS if the axle side hole is stock 10mm, 9120TJJ if the current junk required drilling to 1/2"


after you get that done, then we're going to have to talk about alignment specs and eventually any issues with the suspension mechanics.
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What is a good adjustable front trac bar for a 6" lift that doesn't break the bank like currie?
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looking to replace the drag link set up the PO has on my Jeep. Will an OEM replacement be long enough to work?
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