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Old 04-09-2013, 07:33 PM   #1
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Hi All,

I will be attempting my first ever oil change in the coming week. I have a 4.0 liter.... Any thoughts?

Here is my shopping list:

Mobil 1 Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil -(Pack of 6) (PO always used this)
3.75 Gallon Plastic Oil Drain Pan
Spill Saver Multi-Purpose Funnel
Mobil 1 M1-204 Extended Performance Oil Filter
TEKTON 3-3/4-Inch Flex Oil Filter Wrench

As you see I did not have the proper tools so I had to buy them too... It's an investment right

any points you guys have for a 34 year old accountant attempting this? Could not be any worse then the brake line this forum helped coach me through

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theres nothing to it run your jeep for a few minutes to let the oil get a little warm and crawl underneath get a wrench undo the plug on your oil pan and let the oil drain out DO NOT TAKE THE OIL FILTER OFF BEFORE YOU DRAIL YOUR OIL PAN, going to be a huge mess after its fully drained put your plug back and fully tighten it unscrew old filter slap a new one on and refill with oil

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When you remove the drain plug oil will shoot out with some force. I always hold my drain pan about two inches from the plug to avoid oil squirting all over the ground. Make sure you do not over tighten the plug when reinstalling. I never use a filter wrench and just get the filter hand tight. Prior to installing the filter rub a thin bead of oil with your finger on the filter gasket. Good luck.
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I believe you need a 16mm box wrench for drain plug and I would also get some Nitrile gloves..
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Hi All,

I will be attempting my first ever oil change in the coming week. I have a 4.0 liter.... Any thoughts?

Here is my shopping list:

Mobil 1 Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil -(Pack of 6) (PO always used this)
3.75 Gallon Plastic Oil Drain Pan
Spill Saver Multi-Purpose Funnel
Mobil 1 M1-204 Extended Performance Oil Filter
TEKTON 3-3/4-Inch Flex Oil Filter Wrench

As you see I did not have the proper tools so I had to buy them too... It's an investment right

any points you guys have for a 34 year old accountant attempting this? Could not be any worse then the brake line this forum helped coach me through
Need a 16mm socket or box end wrench also, and dont wear your new white button up shirt!
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Make sure the gasket for the old filter comes off the engine before putting the new one on.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:14 PM   #7
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Where do you guys discard your old oil?
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Need a 16mm socket or box end wrench also, and dont wear your new white button up shirt!
I'll make sure I leave it inside

thanks for the good pointers

What do I do with the old oil? I heard I can bring it to anywhere that does oil changes and per NJ state law they have to take it. any other options you guys know of? anyone from NJ can confirm this?
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Recycle it at your local autoparts store.
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If you have garbage service they should take it
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answered my own question for NJ DIYers

NJDEP-GUIDELINES FOR siting used oil collection tanks
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Where do you guys discard your old oil?
Anyplace that changes oil will recycle it at no charge. (Fed law) Walmart, parts stores, Firestone, etc... Firestone took all my fluids including coolant. Just make sure to use containers that you can leave with them and you will be there 1 min or less. I save old milk jugs for recycling fluids.
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Great to see people still changing their own oil. Also great that the awesome people of WF came out to lend advise..... Without negative comments! Kudos to you guys.
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^yup, remember to wipe some oil on the black rubber gasket ring on the new filter. And check to be sure the one you removed still has it's gasket on.
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Make sure you only use your fancy oil filter wrench to take the filter off!!! Hand tight back on.

First time I ever changed my own oil, I tightened the filter with the wrench as tight as I could...bad times!
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Make sure you only use your fancy oil filter wrench to take the filter off!!! Hand tight back on.

First time I ever changed my own oil, I tightened the filter with the wrench as tight as I could...bad times!
Or you could just jam a screwdriver through it lol.
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Have a woman do it, read below.

WOMEN:

1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube or Valvoline Instant Oil Change when the mileage reaches 3,000 miles since the last oil change.

2. Drink a cup of coffee while they change the oil.

3. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle.

Cost: $29.99 oil change, $2.00 coffee. Total $32.00

MEN:

1. Wait until Saturday, drive to the auto parts store. Buy a case of oil, oil filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner (don't forget a little tree air freshener). Write a check to the auto parts store for approximately $50.

2. Stop by 7/11 on the way home, buy a case of beer. Write a check for $20.00.

3. Drive home with oil and beer.

4. Open beer, enjoy it.

5. Spend 30 minutes looking for the jack stands.

6. Find the jack stands (finally) under the kid's pedal car, jack the car up.

7. Open another beer, drink it.

8. Place drain pan under engine.

9. Look for 9/16" box end wrench for drain plug

10. Give up looking ten minutes later, find crescent wrench.

11. Unscrew drain plug.

12. Drop drain plug into pan of hot oil. Splash hot oil onto your hands and face in the process. Cuss and swear.

13. Crawl out from under car, wipe hot oil from hands and face. Throw some kitty litter on the spilled oil.

14. Open another beer while watching the last drops of oil drain.

15. Spend 30 minutes looking for the oil filter wrench.

16. Give up looking for oil filter wrench, crawl under car and hammer a flat-head screwdriver through the oil filter and twist it off.

17. Crawl out from under car, splashing hot oil everywhere from newly made holes in oil filter.

18. Cleverly hide used oil filter in trash to avoid those pesky environmental penalties. Open another beer.

19. Install new oil filter, making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to the gasket.

20. Pour the first quart of new oil into engine.

21. Oops! Now remember the drain plug (removed in step 11). It's still swimming in the now-warm oil in the drain pan.

22. Throw more kitty litter on the quart-sized oil puddle on the floor.

23. Open another beer and drink it.

24. Find drain plug with a minimum of spillage, hand-tighten in drain plug socket. Drink beer.

25. Crawl under car (getting oily kitty litter embedded in neck and arms). Tighten drain plug with crescent wrench, but this time, it's slippery. Bang your knuckles on the frame while tightening drain plug.

26. Throw crescent wrench across the garage in anger. Throw a fit because crescent wrench hits bowling trophy (which wife wouldn't let stay in the house).

27. Open another beer and drink it.

28. Clean hands, bandaging where needed to stop blood flow.

29. Pour in five quarts of fresh oil.

30. Lower car from jack stands. Smile at your handiwork. Open another beer and drink it.

31. Move car back to discover oil puddles you missed; apply more kitty litter to missed areas.

32. Test drive car to make sure oil doesn't leak.

33. Get pulled over a block from the house by local police, get arrested for DUI.

34. Call loving wife and bail bondsman.

35. Next day, get car out of impound yard.

Cost: $50 parts, $20 beer, Impound fee $75, Bail $1500, DUI $2500 minimum. Total $4145 (but you know the job was done right!)
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Only buy 5 quarts of oil and one quart of Lucas oil stabilizer. It is amazing stuff and I use it everywhere I can. It makes the oil stringy and sticky. So instead of just running down the metal. It sticks to it and will lubricate it better. As far as oil filters, if you have a very large pair of channel locks you can smash the end to square it off and try to turn it, or use a hammer and screwdriver to drive through, but be careful not to beat the hell out of it and break something, and make sure the screwdriver goes trough the end of the filter, not towards the engine. Drive and get it really nice and hot before you drain the oil.
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Get an oil filter strap wrench. Works for all size filters and is perfect for limited space. Also great if some Jippy Nube guy over-tightened your filter previously. Great tool.

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Old 04-09-2013, 09:21 PM   #20
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Have a woman do it, read below.

WOMEN:

1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube or Valvoline Instant Oil Change when the mileage reaches 3,000 miles since the last oil change.

2. Drink a cup of coffee while they change the oil.

3. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle.

Cost: $29.99 oil change, $2.00 coffee. Total $32.00

MEN:

1. Wait until Saturday, drive to the auto parts store. Buy a case of oil, oil filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner (don't forget a little tree air freshener). Write a check to the auto parts store for approximately $50.

2. Stop by 7/11 on the way home, buy a case of beer. Write a check for $20.00.

3. Drive home with oil and beer.

4. Open beer, enjoy it.

5. Spend 30 minutes looking for the jack stands.

6. Find the jack stands (finally) under the kid's pedal car, jack the car up.

7. Open another beer, drink it.

8. Place drain pan under engine.

9. Look for 9/16" box end wrench for drain plug

10. Give up looking ten minutes later, find crescent wrench.

11. Unscrew drain plug.

12. Drop drain plug into pan of hot oil. Splash hot oil onto your hands and face in the process. Cuss and swear.

13. Crawl out from under car, wipe hot oil from hands and face. Throw some kitty litter on the spilled oil.

14. Open another beer while watching the last drops of oil drain.

15. Spend 30 minutes looking for the oil filter wrench.

16. Give up looking for oil filter wrench, crawl under car and hammer a flat-head screwdriver through the oil filter and twist it off.

17. Crawl out from under car, splashing hot oil everywhere from newly made holes in oil filter.

18. Cleverly hide used oil filter in trash to avoid those pesky environmental penalties. Open another beer.

19. Install new oil filter, making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to the gasket.

20. Pour the first quart of new oil into engine.

21. Oops! Now remember the drain plug (removed in step 11). It's still swimming in the now-warm oil in the drain pan.

22. Throw more kitty litter on the quart-sized oil puddle on the floor.

23. Open another beer and drink it.

24. Find drain plug with a minimum of spillage, hand-tighten in drain plug socket. Drink beer.

25. Crawl under car (getting oily kitty litter embedded in neck and arms). Tighten drain plug with crescent wrench, but this time, it's slippery. Bang your knuckles on the frame while tightening drain plug.

26. Throw crescent wrench across the garage in anger. Throw a fit because crescent wrench hits bowling trophy (which wife wouldn't let stay in the house).

27. Open another beer and drink it.

28. Clean hands, bandaging where needed to stop blood flow.

29. Pour in five quarts of fresh oil.

30. Lower car from jack stands. Smile at your handiwork. Open another beer and drink it.

31. Move car back to discover oil puddles you missed; apply more kitty litter to missed areas.

32. Test drive car to make sure oil doesn't leak.

33. Get pulled over a block from the house by local police, get arrested for DUI.

34. Call loving wife and bail bondsman.

35. Next day, get car out of impound yard.

Cost: $50 parts, $20 beer, Impound fee $75, Bail $1500, DUI $2500 minimum. Total $4145 (but you know the job was done right!)
And your point is?
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Have a woman do it, read below.

WOMEN:

1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube or Valvoline Instant Oil Change when the mileage reaches 3,000 miles since the last oil change.

2. Drink a cup of coffee while they change the oil.

3. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle.

Cost: $29.99 oil change, $2.00 coffee. Total $32.00

MEN:

1. Wait until Saturday, drive to the auto parts store. Buy a case of oil, oil filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner (don't forget a little tree air freshener). Write a check to the auto parts store for approximately $50.

2. Stop by 7/11 on the way home, buy a case of beer. Write a check for $20.00.

3. Drive home with oil and beer.

4. Open beer, enjoy it.

5. Spend 30 minutes looking for the jack stands.

6. Find the jack stands (finally) under the kid's pedal car, jack the car up.

7. Open another beer, drink it.

8. Place drain pan under engine.

9. Look for 9/16" box end wrench for drain plug

10. Give up looking ten minutes later, find crescent wrench.

11. Unscrew drain plug.

12. Drop drain plug into pan of hot oil. Splash hot oil onto your hands and face in the process. Cuss and swear.

13. Crawl out from under car, wipe hot oil from hands and face. Throw some kitty litter on the spilled oil.

14. Open another beer while watching the last drops of oil drain.

15. Spend 30 minutes looking for the oil filter wrench.

16. Give up looking for oil filter wrench, crawl under car and hammer a flat-head screwdriver through the oil filter and twist it off.

17. Crawl out from under car, splashing hot oil everywhere from newly made holes in oil filter.

18. Cleverly hide used oil filter in trash to avoid those pesky environmental penalties. Open another beer.

19. Install new oil filter, making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to the gasket.

20. Pour the first quart of new oil into engine.

21. Oops! Now remember the drain plug (removed in step 11). It's still swimming in the now-warm oil in the drain pan.

22. Throw more kitty litter on the quart-sized oil puddle on the floor.

23. Open another beer and drink it.

24. Find drain plug with a minimum of spillage, hand-tighten in drain plug socket. Drink beer.

25. Crawl under car (getting oily kitty litter embedded in neck and arms). Tighten drain plug with crescent wrench, but this time, it's slippery. Bang your knuckles on the frame while tightening drain plug.

26. Throw crescent wrench across the garage in anger. Throw a fit because crescent wrench hits bowling trophy (which wife wouldn't let stay in the house).

27. Open another beer and drink it.

28. Clean hands, bandaging where needed to stop blood flow.

29. Pour in five quarts of fresh oil.

30. Lower car from jack stands. Smile at your handiwork. Open another beer and drink it.

31. Move car back to discover oil puddles you missed; apply more kitty litter to missed areas.

32. Test drive car to make sure oil doesn't leak.

33. Get pulled over a block from the house by local police, get arrested for DUI.

34. Call loving wife and bail bondsman.

35. Next day, get car out of impound yard.

Cost: $50 parts, $20 beer, Impound fee $75, Bail $1500, DUI $2500 minimum. Total $4145 (but you know the job was done right!)
Lmao you don't change you're oil do you?
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Drain plug... As tight as I can get it? Or can it be too tight and cause damage?
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Drain plug... As tight as I can get it? Or can it be too tight and cause damage?
I just give mine a little snug once its hand tight. If you try to make it super tight you will most likely strip it and then your literally screwed.
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Make sure you only use your fancy oil filter wrench to take the filter off!!! Hand tight back on.

First time I ever changed my own oil, I tightened the filter with the wrench as tight as I could...bad times!
All you need to do when installing a new oil filter is make it as tight as possible with your hand. No wrench required. Never had a problem with one after 40+ years of DIY.
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Where do you guys discard your old oil?
I bring mine to the town recycling center. They have a tank to pour it into.
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Pick up one of these to replace your drain plug with, makes the next changes even easier and mess free.

Fumoto F-101N Engine Oil Drain Valve : Amazon.com : Automotive
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Pick up one of these to replace your drain plug with, makes the next changes even easier and mess free.

Fumoto F-101N Engine Oil Drain Valve : Amazon.com : Automotive
like the idea of this... just concerned about hitting it somehow and mistakenly draining my oil while driving... how long have you been using it? have you had any problems? Is it bulletproof?
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The Fumoto drain valve is a nice little upgrade, I installed one into my previous TJ & would now like another for my current TJ. It is well designed & won't accidentally let your oil drain out.

I just wish I had better access to my oil pan's drain bolt so draining it wouldn't make such a mess. I have a full-length engine skidplate installed & its drain hole opening isn't properly positioned. When I get a round tuit, I will cut that part out of the skidplate & weld it back in so it is better positioned.
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Pick up one of these to replace your drain plug with, makes the next changes even easier and mess free.

Fumoto F-101N Engine Oil Drain Valve : Amazon.com : Automotive
Fram made a similar product that I used on my 94 Grand Cherokee. It had a hose that would attach and wouldn't drain without it and a dust cap for extra protection. I can't seem to find it anymore though so I doubt they still make it.

EDIT: Found it http://www.amazon.com/Fram-SD4-SureD.../dp/B000AMXT0Q
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At least from that website, it doesn't look like Fram's will fit the Wrangler's oil pan.

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