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Old 02-26-2008, 08:53 PM   #1
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popping out of first gear

hi all. just did a search and didnt find what i was hoping to find.

what happens is when im at a dead stop, im in first gear, and barely letting out the clutch and giving some gas, sometimes it pops out of gear. not just coming out of gear, but with good force and it makes a loud heavy "clank" metal hitting metal sound. yesterday when it happened, the shifter knob was thrown back and hit my palm, and it really hurt!

what the hell is causing this! i dont even wanna drive it if its something serious.

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First off, do you have a body lift on it? If so, that would be my guess.....you need to get Tcase kit to fix that.

I have a 1.5" body lift on mine and didn't think it was that big of a deal, but it ALWAYS pops out of second gear, usually when I have a cell phone in one hand and a coffee in the other!

Anyway, if you have the lift, thats my best guess!

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Old 02-26-2008, 11:26 PM   #3
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First off, do you have a body lift on it? If so, that would be my guess.....you need to get Tcase kit to fix that.

I have a 1.5" body lift on mine and didn't think it was that big of a deal, but it ALWAYS pops out of second gear, usually when I have a cell phone in one hand and a coffee in the other!

Anyway, if you have the lift, thats my best guess!
i have a 1 inch body lift. i have a ton of extras, i guess i will throw those on my sig so everyone doesnt have to ask. haha sorry.

about the tcase kit.... i just bought this jeep less than a week ago. how do i know if it has the "tcase kit" installed on it. and no i cant ask the previous owner. i bought it at a used car lot. they knew nothing about it.

the only reason i know what i know about it is because i took it to TeraFlex before i bought it so they could look it over.
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what Rubi said.

When i did my 2" bl it popped out since it rubbed so i did this mod and since its common i made a write up on it. http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-jeep...-up-10900.html

Did you install a motor mount lift too?

Usually its the rear gears but i've never seen it pop out of 1st.

I have the feeling you're not put it in gear all the way and releasing the clutch too early so it kicks it out. Thats the only time my rig has kicked the shifter out of gear with great force.

To see if you have a tcase drop on it, take a look at the skid thats right under your doors, the skid that holds up your transmission and tcase. If its mounted on to the frame and there is no space between the 2. You do not have a drop. If there is some kind of spacer between the skid and the frame (such as few washers or a metal block) then you do have a drop however when i did my tcase drop, it pushed my shifter further back, not forward.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:47 PM   #5
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ok i guess i cant fit all this in my sig. i will play with it later and make something work, not now im tired. but until then here is what i have:

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what Rubi said.

When i did my 2" bl it popped out since it rubbed so i did this mod and since its common i made a write up on it. http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-jeep...-up-10900.html

Did you install a motor mount lift too?

Usually its the rear gears but i've never seen it pop out of 1st.

I have the feeling you're not put it in gear all the way and releasing the clutch too early so it kicks it out. Thats the only time my rig has kicked the shifter out of gear with great force.

To see if you have a tcase drop on it, take a look at the skid thats right under your doors, the skid that holds up your transmission and tcase. If its mounted on to the frame and there is no space between the 2. You do not have a drop. If there is some kind of spacer between the skid and the frame (such as few washers or a metal block) then you do have a drop however when i did my tcase drop, it pushed my shifter further back, not forward.
i dont know if it has a motor mount lift either. didnt think to look. i will check.
its definitely in gear correctly. and its seems to happen when im letting clutch out slowly NOT when im releasing it to early.

i will also check on the transfer case. my jeep is in the shop right now getting the parking brake fixed. i will let you know on my findings when i get it back.

keep any ideas coming please!

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Old 02-26-2008, 11:58 PM   #7
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oh, and i dont know if these 2 things are related but i thought maybe id mention it...
there is a bad "rattle" or "spinning" almost a "grinding" noise coming from what sounds like just under the shifter. could it be the drive shaft? or the drive shaft to the front axle? it seems to do it either when im at speed and the clutch is engaged to shift gears, or when im at speed and take my foot off the gas. also... i just noticed today it will do it at speed and i pull it out of gear and into neutral.

but it doesnt really shake/vibrate like my old truck did right before the u joint gave out in the rear drive shaft.

could it be needing new u joints in the front shaft? or a new front shaft all together?

.... or what?
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OH thats right that was the wild jeep with the lots of stuff the dealer was suppose to fix to make it legal. I vote on the shifter hitting the tub.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:16 AM   #9
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i really dont think its the shifter hitting the tub. i just read that thread you posted. i will check, but i REALLY dont think its that.

and why wouldnt it do it in 3rd? or 5th? if its the shifter hitting the tub?
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The thread i posted is for the shifter hitting the plastic center console..

I think this is what its hitting.

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i know what is in the thread you posted earlier, i told you i read it. all im saying is that i dont think that is the problem..... BUT i will check.
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and why wouldnt it do it in 3rd? or 5th? if its the shifter hitting the tub?
You can see how the hole is round from my pic above. If the shifter is a little to the left to where 3rd and 5th are around the middle.. it can kick out only 1st but not the rest. I wonder what your dealer guy will say if you tell him whats happening.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:05 PM   #13
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well i had a similar problem on my yota after a 2 inch body lift. had to play with it to get it right. this is not the same problem it seems. on my yota it would just "come out of gear" the jeep is being "thrown!! out of gear"
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Yeah thats the reason why i'm confused. Maybe it pushes it out and while you're trying to accelerate the force is throwing it out? weird
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well my jeep will be done tomorrow. i will take a look tomorrow night.
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I think the "throwing" vs "popping" out of gear depends largely on how he drives it. Fast acceleration will cause the "throw" effect.

I really think he's going to need the motor mount and/or Tcase kits.
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I dont know but knowing he has a stroker, i wouldn't push the power source with that much torque further out/up from the mounts.
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you might of missed what i said earlier. it seems to happen more when im EASILY coming off the clutch and into gear. its yet to happen when im driving under hard acceleration.

so NO the fast acceleration is not causing it.
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did you try it with out the shifter boot on?it could be hitting the tub and when the motor twists under acceleration it hits against the tub. if its not that how many miles do you have on the transmission? 100,000 the synchros are probally worn



i had to take my transmission out and replace the brass synchro gears i got an ax 15 trans. if you can do any mechanical work you can take the trans out and do a rebuild for it. i bought the entire rebuild kit with all synchro and bearings and gaskets for 150. i also had to replace the fifth gear very simple just take your time and mark everything as it comes out
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bowhunter, let me guess.. lots of little gears and screws in there?
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. how many miles do you have on the transmission? 100,000 the synchros are probally worn
First thing I thought too.
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how many miles do you have on the transmission? 100,000 the synchros are probally worn
it has 90,000 miles on it
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ok this is weird... but about the weird rattle/crunching/grinding noise that seems like its coming from the transmission..... well i just got the jeep back last week: i had a new transmission and clutch installed, also had the transfercase serviced. well im not getting any grinding when shifting gears, and its not throwing out of first gear and hurting my hand anymore! BUT... that weird rattle/crunching/grinding noise that happens in 4th or 5th gear at freeway speeds when i let off the gas is STILL THERE!
argh! i just got back from my camping trip, so i will be calling the shop tomorrow to see what the deal is. but meanwhile does anyone have a clue what this could be???
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it only seems to happen in 4th and 5th gear. it only happens when im at freeway speed, and let off the accelerator. it only makes the noise for second, just as im letting off the gas. its really annoying. its sounding like a metal on metal noise. almost like when you try to shift into gear and youre not on the clutch all the way. just not as "fast" and not as "loud"
wow i dont know how to really explain it.

i am stumped though.
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exhaust leak where the y pipe meats the manifold climb under your jeep and try to wiggle the pipe by that connection my jeep did the same thing just tightened it up and it stoped
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^^ Thanks Jeeper, I will check this out too. I'm experiencing a very similar noise, also in 4th and 5th, when I'm barely on the gas. I know I need to replace the Cat, so I just always attributed the noise that. I'm not very mechanically inclinded though, so what do I know.
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I am having the same transmission problem on a brand new Wrangler Unlimited X with 3000 miles on it. Still working to duplicate it at the dealership.
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That weird noise coming from the tranny I have been told it could be the tranny itself rattling or possibly the throwout bearing. Not sure who is right but it has done this on my past 2 Jeeps!

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