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Old 03-12-2009, 11:34 AM   #1
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Posi Lok Vs. Lockers

Hello My fellow friends just a little bit of a snag here...I want to have both rear tires spining when I wheel instead of just 1, somebody was saying that I only have 1 wheel going and that a posi whould work but I didnt think they had them for a 00tj....I would love to get lockers, but just cant afford all of that right now..Can anybody help me out cause This topic is getting me really confused

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A "Posi" is a limited slip differential and they are available in the rear axle of a TJ as an extra cost option. It's called a Tracloc. It's not a great LSD but it does work until the clutch pack wears out which could be anywhere from 45-50K miles or more.

One thing you can do in those situations is to apply some braking force to slow the spinning tire down which will increase the amount of torque being sent to the rear axle. Doing so will help get the other tire moving which may get you moving again. This is an age-old technique in use since the Model T days when most roads were unpaved and they often turned to mud or had deep snow covering them.

Here's an article/FAQ I wrote years ago on the whole LSD/Locker/4x4/torque thing that might help... 4x4 & Torque answers

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Thanks Jerry you always seem to help me out lol..The reason why Im looking in to this is because my clutch keeps getting fried when I wheel..I just dropped everything down this morning and its toast! it was changed no more than 100 miles ago..I was thinking the trans or flywheel but I just dont know why it keeps smoking out soI figured this whould give less "Clutch chatter" and possibly help out a little bit
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:31 PM   #4
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h and BTW that is an amazing article!
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Thanks Jerry you always seem to help me out lol..The reason why Im looking in to this is because my clutch keeps getting fried when I wheel..I just dropped everything down this morning and its toast! it was changed no more than 100 miles ago..I was thinking the trans or flywheel but I just dont know why it keeps smoking out soI figured this whould give less "Clutch chatter" and possibly help out a little bit
Your clutch was only changed 100 miles ago and it's toast already? Heck when I used to have a 5-speed manual tranny in my TJ, it used to smoke quite a bit when I had to slip it to get over big rocks but even with all that, it was still in remarkably good condition when I decided to change it at 166,000 miles. What kind of a clutch did you last install? Was the flywheel turned? New pressure plate?
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:41 PM   #6
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It was all done by the dealor before I picked it up..At least so they say..I have a 89 mustang 5.0gt and I have changed the clutch once..I dont understand it so im replacing the clutch and preasure plate and puting in a Posi just for shits and giggles
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you can get a "lunchbox locker" for ~$250 that can be installed relatively easily.
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you can get a "lunchbox locker" for ~$250 that can be installed relatively easily.
so whats this lunchbox locker thing??
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A "lunchbox locker" is a locker that replaces your spider gears. It does not mount to the ring gear like the "true lockers". Lunchbox lockers do work quite well.
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Hmm does anybody have a link or some kind of article on this lunch box?
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Lunchbox Lockers - What is a Lunchbox locker?

Not sure if I posted this right. Heres a link to explain and show some differant versions.

Jrzy gotta get the dealer to replace the clutch again, but you did remember about the break in period right.
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Break in period? I pulled off the lot and went wheeling lol
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:33 PM   #13
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Well it says with 35" tires its ot a good idea..But what im confused about is do i control when they lock with a switch or something or do they lock when needed
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Haha, I did that in my crx, and went throught the clutch in a week. You have to be easy on the clutch for the first 500 miles I think is the length.
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No the lunchbox lockers are like a detroit depending on which one you go with. Some have clutches and will act like the factory Trac-Loc others will act like a detroit.
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So confusing lol...So should I do a lunch box or a posi? after reading up on the lunc boxes it seems like there not as good as everybody is making them seem
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Lunch boxes are not but they are a lot cheaper. My detroit cost me 1500 plus 600 for the actual unit, with the rebuild. I got bent over. If your planning on getting a regear save getting a real locker until then.
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I have the 3.73's and love them just fine...I wish somebody on here had a lunchbox so i could compare but I might just do the lunch box
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Many of them do. They tend to put them in the front. That way it only affects the driving while in 4 wheel drive. I have the 3.55's and 35's i cant get out of 4th gear.
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Hmm so do you think I should put it in the front instead of the rear? Im just looking for a little less stress on the clutch lol
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I have 35's and 150000 on my clutch with a detroit in the rear. I think you didnt let it break in enough or the dealer screwed up.
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Probally both LOL
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That means get it back in start a scene and get your jeep back before the meet and greet.
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i have a lunchbox in the rear. its an aussie locker. they warranty them regardless of tire size or horsepower. no clutches, its springs and pins. it locks the same way a detroit or whatever does, when you're on the throttle, it locks, when you're off (or gentle) it unlocks. if you have the dana 35, i would be worried about your carrier cracking if you abuse it. that being said, i wouldnt pay for a "full" locker in a 35 (full detroit, arb, etc)....so the choice there is yours. im sure the consensus is dont waste a penny on a dana 35. if you have the 44, you're golden (mine is in an 8.8)
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Hmm so do you think I should put it in the front instead of the rear? Im just looking for a little less stress on the clutch lol
Umm, a locker is going to put more stress on the clutch.
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A lot of things can cause your clutch to go.Not being geared low enough for the size of tires you are running could be putting a big strain on you clutch.Running in Hi range instead of low could be a problem.
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If you have a dana 35 you may want to go with a locker in the front and leave well enough alone in the rear for now.If you have a 44 I would start by locking the rear and go from there.Also the PowerTrax No-Slip locker is normally the lunchbox locker of choice.If you want to drop the cash and do have a 44 then go with the a true locker.Then again you have a choice of air(ARB) or cable(OX) and many more.
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I do have 35"s on and never adjusted my clutch so I was thinking that might be the problem also I keep it in 2nd gear when I wheel but use 1st gear if im stuck
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Why would you keep it in second gear?
You have multiple gears for a reason, use them all.
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Well i keep it in 2nd gear cause I dont do over 15mph when i wheel..Im not speed racer in the woods

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