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Old 01-09-2014, 09:55 AM   #1
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Proud Owner of 2nd Jeep and Issue with Shift

Hello All...my first post on this wonderful Jeep site. I just bought my second Jeep. I bought my first in 1977 a CJ5 brand new off the lot for I think for $7000. I loved that Jeep, but someone loved it more than me and stole it. Fast forward to now and I bought a 2001 Wrangler TJ, 6 cyl automatic. I noticed after I bought it that the PO installed a body lift kit on it. I measured the spacers and to the best I can tell it is 2" (i think) the actual measurement is 1.5". The springs and shocks are not lifted as far as I can tell. The springs measure 12" on the front. The measurement from the center of the front wheel to the fender flare is about 19". The wheels are 29" diameter. The jeep has a tough time shifting into 4L without a lot of grinding. The shifting is not as smooth as it should be. From reading on this site, I think the BL is the problem. My plan for the Jeep is to install a 2" BDS suspension lift with new springs and shocks. I'm thinking of getting the Advance Adapters NP231 Transfer Case Shifter Linkage Bracket 715545. Will this fix the shift linkage problem even after installing the BDS kit. I know I need to figure bumpstops too. It seems most folks here don't like BL kits bigger than 1.25". I really don't want to have to remove the 2" kit if I don't have to. It doesn't look bad to me, but I need to get the shift problem fixed. I know many like the Novak kit but I don't want that one. So, I guess I really want to here from the folks that know, the best way to fix the problem. I also am thinking about replacing the tires with a 32" 10.5 tire. If you need more info, please ask and I'll try and provide it. Anyway, this is a GREAT site and am looking forward to learning more about my Jeep.

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Old 01-09-2014, 10:14 AM   #2
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Does it have a motor mount lift and is the fan centered in the shroud?

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Old 01-09-2014, 10:35 AM   #3
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Does it have a motor mount lift and is the fan centered in the shroud?
No MML and the PO obviously used at least two of the 6 bracket adapters to raise the radiator/shroud. No transfer case drop either. The radiator is leaking and I'm about to replace it with a new one. The reason I'm staying at 2" for the suspension lift, is because I want it to look good and be able to run bigger tires without having to change out driveshaft, install SYE etc. I'm thinking that the adapter I mentioned might fix the problem, and if so, will the problem come back after installing the BDS kit. I dunno.
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I could be "all Wet" on this...am wondering if you actually have an inch and half BL...and that the t-case linkage just needs adjusted? but if you are going to do the 2" SL might be ahead to do T-case drop and then adjust 4wd linkage? Ideally add the MML at same time...and could MAYBE get away with 33'x10.50" x15"s assuming proper BS on wheels.......this would be very close to the set up I had on my '04 TJ in the past.....
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:58 AM   #5
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My wife's used Rubi came with body lift, motor mount lift and spring spacers and that runs like factory ride on road and allows metric version of 33 with only washers under turn stops and no on road rubbing at all

Not a bad way to just get bigger tires but not best way to get lift for off road
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I could be "all Wet" on this...am wondering if you actually have an inch and half BL...and that the t-case linkage just needs adjusted? but if you are going to do the 2" SL might be ahead to do T-case drop and then adjust 4wd linkage? Ideally add the MML at same time...and could MAYBE get away with 33'x10.50" x15"s assuming proper BS on wheels.......this would be very close to the set up I had on my '04 TJ in the past.....
It measures at 1.5" but is a little bulged. I only see 1", 1.25" and 2" etc BL kits. So, I'm assuming it's 2". It would be better if it was 1.5" I'm trying to stay away from adding MML, Transfer case drops etc. if possible. It just seems like buying a lift lit and then dropping it (TC) back down is counter productive. I might be trying to do the impossible. I haven't tried adjusting the linkage, yet. Removing the BL kit entirely isn't out of the question either. removing it is a last resort though. Thanks.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:48 AM   #7
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My wife's used Rubi came with body lift, motor mount lift and spring spacers and that runs like factory ride on road and allows metric version of 33 with only washers under turn stops and no on road rubbing at all

Not a bad way to just get bigger tires but not best way to get lift for off road
I wonder if it would rub offroad? How much lift does it have.
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Looks to be about 2 inch body plus 2 inch spring spacers

While my 98 tj has 1999 vintage rubicon express short arm kit and also has 33 in this case 33x12.5 on centerline 15 inch wheels and it is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch higher at body when parked side by side
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Just FYI, the best place to measure body lift is between tub and frame just inside of the rear wheels. Stock, the tub pretty much sits right on the frame there so any gap is what the body is lifted.
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Just FYI, the best place to measure body lift is between tub and frame just inside of the rear wheels. Stock, the tub pretty much sits right on the frame there so any gap is what the body is lifted.
Cool! Thanks.
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Okay, I have visited the Novak website and have been reading up on their shifter. I wrongly thought the shifting pattern was changed by installing this kit. According to their site, everything is the same as before as far as shifting lever and shifting pattern. After reading so many great reviews on it, I'm now leaning that way.
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Okay, I have visited the Novak website and have been reading up on their shifter. I wrongly thought the shifting pattern was changed by installing this kit. According to their site, everything is the same as before as far as shifting lever and shifting pattern. After reading so many great reviews on it, I'm now leaning that way.
You won't be disappointed. The Novak shifter is a very nice product, and maintains the stock shift pattern, but is smoother than all the hard linkage. What's really nice about it, is that it's not affected by body lifts and tummy tucks, etc.
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Okay, I have visited the Novak website and have been reading up on their shifter. I wrongly thought the shifting pattern was changed by installing this kit. According to their site, everything is the same as before as far as shifting lever and shifting pattern. After reading so many great reviews on it, I'm now leaning that way.
You're looking at the cable or the linkage? I will be going with their cable shifter when I get closer to tucking the belly up.
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Old 01-13-2014, 01:04 PM   #14
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You're looking at the cable or the linkage? I will be going with their cable shifter when I get closer to tucking the belly up.
Looking at the cable.

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