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Old 04-02-2013, 06:41 PM   #1
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Removing rear track bar?

I have heard that removing the rear track bar improves vehicle handling and flex. Is this true? I assume I would need to replace the stock control arms with something stronger to compensate. I'm slowly trying to understand suspension geometry so bear with me.

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The only way to get rid of the rear track bar on a TJ is with some sort of triangulated setup. A standard TJ suspension system NEEDS the trackbar.

You may be thinking of a YJs suspension. I believe that it is pretty normal for YJs to remove the trackbars since the leaf springs are what position the axle under the vehicle.

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Old 04-02-2013, 06:49 PM   #3
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So the control arms aren't enough to keep the axle centered?
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So the control arms aren't enough to keep the axle centered?
Not with the factory setup, with a triangulated setup...they are enough.
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Ok thanks
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Not a problem. With the front end, if you havent learned this already, you can disconnect the sway bar, and you will gain a lot more flex that way.
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Not a problem. With the front end, if you havent learned this already, you can disconnect the sway bar, and you will gain a lot more flex that way.
Yes and leave the rear antiswaybar connected. Coil spring suspensions don't do well without any sort of antiswaybar front or rear.

What works even better than completely disconnecting the front antiswaybar for offroading is to replace it with Currie's Antirock antiswaybar. The Antirock never needs to be disconnected and it helps the f/r suspensions to work together instead of fighting each other.

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Yes but leave the rear antiswaybar connected. Coil spring suspensions don't do well without any sort of antiswaybar front or rear.
I was planning on adding the antirock in the front
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I was planning on adding the antirock in the front
You read my mind, I just got through editing the above post to add that.
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Yeah I can see the benefits of the antirock... My problem is I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, but not enough to know what I'm doing.
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How much of a gain would I get by going for a triangulated 4 link as opposed to the stock 5 link
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How much of a gain would I get by going for a triangulated 4 link as opposed to the stock 5 link
That's a lot of work for going beyond what most offroaders can/will take advantage of. I'm still running a 5-link & my TJ flexes extremely well. Using good flexible control arms & a good aftermarket rear track bar will make that axle flex better than most people could ever use.
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How much of a gain would I get by going for a triangulated 4 link as opposed to the stock 5 link
Go look at Imped's rig. He has a triangulated rear and custom front setup as well. He knows the ins and outs of all that stuff. Also try looking on pirate 4x4. More stuff on CA setups over there.
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Go look at Imped's rig. He has a triangulated rear and custom front setup as well. He knows the ins and outs of all that stuff. Also try looking on pirate 4x4. More stuff on CA setups over there.
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I really wish I could drive a Jeep with an Antirock. Some claim that on-road handling suffers, some say it doesn't. I really don't want to lose any stability on the road. Although, with the shocks I'm now running I'd be better off than I was. Other than that, the Antirock is certainly attractive to me.
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I really wish I could drive a Jeep with an Antirock. Some claim that on-road handling suffers, some say it doesn't. I really don't want to lose any stability on the road. Although, with the shocks I'm now running I'd be better off than I was. Other than that, the Antirock is certainly attractive to me.
Something to consider, the antirock has some adjustability. You can choose which hole the link goes in which should affect how soft or stiff it is. This way you may be able to find a happy medium. Thats what I get from it at least as I do not have one yet either. I have also heard that the kind of shocks affects the amount of body roll noticed as well.
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I really wish I could drive a Jeep with an Antirock. Some claim that on-road handling suffers, some say it doesn't. I really don't want to lose any stability on the road. Although, with the shocks I'm now running I'd be better off than I was. Other than that, the Antirock is certainly attractive to me.
I run my Antirock at its flexiest most rearward setting & because I have good shocks, OME Nitrochargers, my TJ handles nearly like it is on rails. Sloppy soft shocks like Skyjacker's Hydros would not make for good handling with the Antirock set on its flexiest position. So the key to good handling with an Antirock is good shocks.
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I really wish I could drive a Jeep with an Antirock. Some claim that on-road handling suffers, some say it doesn't. I really don't want to lose any stability on the road. Although, with the shocks I'm now running I'd be better off than I was. Other than that, the Antirock is certainly attractive to me.
The only place I've noticed a difference is speeding through traffic circles faster than I should be going anyway. Other than that, I don't feel much of a difference and I don't have mine on the softest setting. I'll move it there in the next few weeks before my first trip of the season.
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I run my Antirock at its flexiest most rearward setting & because I have good shocks, OME Nitrochargers, my TJ handles nearly like it is on rails. Sloppy soft shocks like Skyjacker's Hydros would not make for good handling with the Antirock set on its flexiest position. So the key to good handling with an Antirock is good shocks.
That's what I was saying. The Rancho 7000MT's handle so well, that I'd now be more inclined to try the Antirock.
And that's exactly how it feels now compared to the Pro Comp hydros, like it's on rails.
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I run my Antirock at its flexiest most rearward setting & because I have good shocks, OME Nitrochargers, my TJ handles nearly like it is on rails. Sloppy soft shocks like Skyjacker's Hydros would not make for good handling with the Antirock set on its flexiest position. So the key to good handling with an Antirock is good shocks.
Then I should probably switch out my skyjacker hydros before doing the antirock
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Then I should probably switch out my skyjacker hydros before doing the antirock
You should switch them out even if you don't install an Antirock.
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Then I should probably switch out my skyjacker hydros before doing the antirock
Those things were so bad I felt bad giving them away. The guy that took them said he didn't care because they are going to get torn up offroad in his trail rig anyway.
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The sad thing is, they were actually an improvement from my completely worn out oem shocks with 120k miles on them... They are on the list to be replaced though
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So I guess the question is then bilstein or ome?
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So I guess the question is then bilstein or ome?
OME gets my vote. Can't attest to bilsteins (never had a set) but OME makes a very good shock. I have their nitro charged shocks and they give a very good ride.
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I can recommend the Rancho 7000MT, but I've not experienced Bilsteins (on a TJ) or OME.
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Yes and leave the rear antiswaybar connected. Coil spring suspensions don't do well without any sort of antiswaybar front or rear.

What works even better than completely disconnecting the front antiswaybar for offroading is to replace it with Currie's Antirock antiswaybar. The Antirock never needs to be disconnected and it helps the f/r suspensions to work together instead of fighting each other.

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I know you do a lot of rock climbing, so the Currie Antirock is good for you. What about someone who does no rock climbing, just beach, water and mud and hill climbing (dirt hills, here in Jersey). Would quick discos be more suitable for those types of wheeling?
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I know you do a lot of rock climbing, so the Currie Antirock is good for you. What about someone who does no rock climbing, just beach, water and mud and hill climbing (dirt hills, here in Jersey). Would quick discos be more suitable for those types of wheeling?
Yes, absolutely.
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Thanks Jerry, I was on the fence about quick discos. Now I'll definately pick up a pair.
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I really wish I could drive a Jeep with an Antirock. Some claim that on-road handling suffers, some say it doesn't. I really don't want to lose any stability on the road. Although, with the shocks I'm now running I'd be better off than I was. Other than that, the Antirock is certainly attractive to me.
If you're concerned about the on-road handling, there is always the Sway-Loc. It's essentially an Anti-Rock with a second torsion bar for the road. The only real downside is it's cost; it's more expensive than the already pricey AR.

Personally I haven't really noticed any decline in on-road handling, and before I had a cheap commuter car I was putting over 100 miles a day on the Jeep.

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