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Old 12-22-2012, 07:58 PM   #1
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right turn signal problem

So...I got home from my deployment and picked up my jeep today. My turn signal and brake light has a short in it. My turn signals work normally until I hit my brakes. When I hit the brakes my turn signal is steady on as well as the right turn signal light on my dash. As soon as I get off the brake pedal my turn signal works as it should. I could figure this out by myself but it's cold outside... If anyone has had this problem before, where did you find the short? That'll give me a place to start. Thanks for any help you have to offer and sorry if my writing is unclear--these are the first drinks I've had in 6 months... thanks guys...

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:30 PM   #2
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That's not a short; sounds more like a ground issue, or a faulty T/S switch.

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:38 PM   #3
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Hmm...I don't really know. I could get out there with my multimeter but as i said it's pretty cold outside. What makes you think it could be a ground issue? The left turn signal works fine...sounds more like a short to me. I'm no expert on vehicle wiring through...
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:55 PM   #4
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OK, then it's a short. I've only been working on cars for 20 years for living.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:04 PM   #5
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Its the switch I have one that does that too.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:04 PM   #6
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I'm not trying to insult you Patrick. I appreciate your input. I work in what is mostly an electronics lab for the USAF. I am mostly phys d but I do know a little something about electronics. However, my question was: what makes you think it is a grounding issue?
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:10 PM   #7
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Thanks ice. So I got 2 for switch. So far it looks like I should start there...
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:11 PM   #8
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The brake light ground could be back-feeding through the T/S switch. But, since the T/S's work when the brakes aren't applied, I'd be inclined to think it's a faulty T/S switch. The switch is where the differentiation between turn signals and brake lights (when applied) happens.
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Fixed this on several TJ over the years. It is the switch. Common issue so it seems.

BUT you said you just got back from deployment where your jeep probably sat somewhere for awhile. Try spraying some electric cleaner into the T/S switch and work it back and forth to clean and dirt out. This will fix the issue sometimes. The contacts in the switch can get dirty and corrode a bit causing this. Hopefully it fixes it for you. You can pick up electric cleaner spray at most all auto parts stores.

If not...time for a new turn signal switch. If you need help changing it out just shoot me a pm and I can walk you through it.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:50 PM   #10
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Some times my left stays lit up on my dash too. Play with the switch and it clears it. Like others have said. It is the switch.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:12 AM   #11
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Work the hazard switch on/off too rapidly for a minute or so to see if it clears up the switch contacts...
This worked on a friends Jeep and my Linc too.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:27 AM   #12
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When this happens, is it usually after you have recently made a right turn? If so, give the turn signal lever a knudge towards its center off position. If that cures the problem, the turn signal switch has just gotten tired & is unable to make it fully back to off after completing the turn and it needs replacing.

I agree it's definitely not a short causing the problem. Shorts cause more serious problems.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:31 AM   #13
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Jerry hit it on the head. When mine does it I just nudge the switch in the other direction and it quits. Till next time. Lol
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:44 AM   #14
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Ok so I'll start my search at the switch. This condition has nothing to do with turning. EVERY time I push the brake pedal, the front and rear passenger's side turn signals light up. That includes the right turn signal light on the dash. As far as I know, the only way this could happen is by short or inductance. I highly doubt that the wires are tightly twisted together so that leaves a short (which everyone says is in the switch on the steering column). Thanks everybody, and merry Christmas!
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Jerry hit it on the head. When mine does it I just nudge the switch in the other direction and it quits. Till next time. Lol
^ What he said
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Yes HOSS86. The last time it happened to me I was sitting STRAIGHT in my driveway. NOT TURNING. Foot on the brakes and the left indicator on the dash was lit up. Take my foot off of the brake and the light goes off. Jiggle the turn directional with it lit up and see if you can get it to go off. If it don't fix it, replace the turn directional unit in the column.
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If there is one thing I have learned about diagnosing electrical and electronic circuits since the 60's, it is this... the less experienced someone is when it comes to troubleshooting electronics/electrical circuits, the more apt that he will describe most problems as likely from a "short". To hear some, every electrical problem is "probably a short". In the literaly 1000's of electronic gizmos (transmitters, receivers, amplifiers, computers, automotive electrical systems, etc.) that I have diagnosed and repaired since the 60's, I can probably count the number of true electrical shorts that were the cause of any given problem on one hand. In my personal experience, true electrical shorts on commercially produced products are far and few between.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:38 PM   #18
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I missed the only when pushing brake part of it somehow, lol, sorry. The issue I had was similar that the signal stayed on with or without the brake. It was the hazard switch for mine.
I need to read a lil slower and take in more, lol
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:33 PM   #19
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To conclude this thread, I finally returned from leave and it got warm enough for me to want to work on the jeep. I replaced the 3 way multi-switch (turn signal/hazard switch) and my problem is fixed. I ordered the switch from quadratec ($50) brand spanking new to avoid the u-pull-it yard, mainly because from what I've heard this is a common issue and knowing my luck, I would have just replaced my bad switch with another bad switch. Anyway, thank you all for the advice!
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #20
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Also, if you are having this issue or a similar issue and decide you need to replace the T/S switch, do not be intimidated by the work. I was expecting it to be a little harder than it was. Literally speaking, I used only a really nice Kobalt screwdriver set (Phillips short and long, and torx) and it took me 1 hour in my driveway all while dealing with my rowdy 3 year old daughter.
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Glad you got it fixed, and thanks for your service Hoss86.

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