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Old 12-12-2012, 12:18 AM   #1
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Question severe damage dana 35

Well today i was fixing my jeep 98 4cil 5spd 123k miles, changing oil cleaning normal maintenance when i realize that my diffs were never open (well i haven't never opened to see oil level an quality) i open the front d30 normal oil level yellow color nice smell well normal xD, then the dana 35 i open the rubber plug and then the nightmare black oil with metal on it.
knowing mechanic's i open it to see what was wrong ring a pinion are in rally good shape nothing bad about that.
But then the planetary gears, the passenger side was only on normal wear upper and lower planetary really wear down, and the driver size gear its really wear down and when i turned to see every teeth i realize that one of the teeth is missing a little piece like a 2mm completely broken. after 1 hour of searching of the missing piece i was unable to found that so i think the previous owner was who did that damage and maybe he took the piece out. or maybe all the metal that i found on the oil was the missing piece?, the magnetic strip only had almost nothing of metal.
my dad (mechanic) suggest me to clean everything out and put new oil because its not all the teeth and it shouldn't make a big trouble.
my question is should i change the planetary gears? all the diff assembly? all diff?
now i only cleaned everything out and put new oil.
but should i change something? i don`t want to put a lot of money because im planing to buy a rubicon, but i also want a reliable DD without the noise of a worn out diff.(now it doesn't make any sound)
the jeep is my DD, and my WW. i never do nothing extreme only small rock crawling, light sand, dirt, mud, maybe snow this year.
what do you think?

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:10 AM   #2
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They're called side gears and spider gears, and yes I'd change them out lest you have a catastrophic failure when it's most inconvenient. The dana 35 already survives solely on hopes and dreams to begin with, and it sounds like it's dreams are all gone and all it has are hopes

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What i think? I think you need some English classes. That was painful to read.
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What i think? I think you need some English classes. That was painful to read.
Little harsh my friend, I understood it (by the way, you should have written "What do I think?" instead of "What i think?"). But yeah, like the previous poster said, replace ANY worn or chipped gears or parts while you are in there. Never a good idea to run even a slightly damaged rear axle.

Maybe upgrade to a super 35 if you can afford it, just don't be brutal and it should be ok. I have a D35, it's ok so far, but I will do a super 35 before going big bucks for a serious rear axle. Best of luck,

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Old 12-12-2012, 02:47 AM   #5
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:24 AM   #6
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What i think? I think you need some English classes. That was painful to read.
Ever think he may not be from the US? Some folks do the best they can to try and get their point across.

jeepstertj,

Is your Dana 35 an open carrier or Trak-loc limited slip? This is important to know as the side and spider gear kits are different for each.

Open 35 is about $90



For the Trak-Loc... you get new spiders, sides and clutches for around $190

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Old 12-12-2012, 07:33 AM   #7
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X2 on replacing. I had the same issue on my powerstroke and didn't replace and ended up breaking everything which came to a grand total of 1900 with me doing it myself. So yes spend the money now and save yourself some time an money later on down the road
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Well this is all to familier I currently have my d35 tore apart in the garage shafts out and carrier out because my spiders are trash as well, messed them up playing in the rocks, anyway I just ordered my rebuild stuff, just to get it back on the road cuz I don't have the cash to upgrade right now was planning on starting to build an 8.8 after taxes and I still plan on doing so, I just wish the 35 would have waited to break till I built the 8.8. I wish u luck my friend, check on cl maybe u can find one close to u, and then u would have a spare set of shafts and c clips, I tried but all I can find is d35s out of xjs.
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What i think? I think you need some English classes. That was painful to read.
Don't blame the author, blame the school systems that teach our students that is acceptable composition. Grammar, punctuation, and spelling have all been dropped from many primary, secondary, and high school English courses - with the idea that "getting the subject across is the important lesson"

"Dis" the local school districts English teachers not the people who are the product of their teaching.
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Fisrt you check the profile. OP lists his location as Mexico, so english is not his first language.
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Whooooooooooooooooooooo cares about his Engrish you buncha Grammar Nazi's.
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I just changed my front and rear, D30/D35 ring and pinion and carriers. They are 3.07 ratio, still in good shape spiders and all. If they work for you, or your interested in them let me know and I'll work up a good deal for you.
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Rule #1 if it's bad change it now, better than being stranded later

I had to replace my spider gear set, very, very easy to do, it takes longer putting the oil back in.

I lost enough teeth on my left axle gear, I was stranded and towed her home. Never off road, 4.0 - 5 speed, stock tires. The RA is just a bit light for the job.
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What i think? I think you need some English classes. That was painful to read.
First, he's not a native English speaker, he is from Mexico. Second, that was pretty harsh coming from someone who doesn't know how to spell penguin.
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First, he's not a native English speaker, he is from Mexico. Second, that was pretty harsh coming from someone who doesn't know how to spell penguin.
I know how to spell penguin perfectly fine Jerry. The user name is misspelled intentionally. Its a reference to an inside joke some friends of mine have. And Idk if you've ever used the mobile app, but you can't see where they're from with it. Also I'm supprised you have time to come comment here. Shouldn't you be getting ready to not compete in the king of hammers? Go play in traffic.
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I know how to spell penguin perfectly fine Jerry. The user name is misspelled intentionally. Its a reference to an inside joke some friends of mine have. And Idk if you've ever used the mobile app, but you can't see where they're from with it. Also I'm supprised you have time to come comment here. Shouldn't you be getting ready to not compete in the king of hammers? Go play in traffic.
That the best you got? You think it's ok to bust someone's poor grammar simply because you didn't know he was from Mexico? Go back to wasting space and time here by busting people for imperfect grammar. We need more helpful posters like you here.
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I know how to spell penguin perfectly fine Jerry. The user name is misspelled intentionally. Its a reference to an inside joke some friends of mine have. And Idk if you've ever used the mobile app, but you can't see where they're from with it. Also I'm supprised you have time to come comment here. Shouldn't you be getting ready to not compete in the king of hammers? Go play in traffic.
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And Idk if you've ever used the mobile app, but you can't see where they're from with it.
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You can see it on the mobile app...
Will low differential oil cause a squeaking noise when stopping and starting? I hear it only at low speed, and it sounds like it is coming from the rear. The Jeep has a leaking rear axle seal, but I don't have the space to replace myself, and don't have the $ for a mechanic until the New Year.

I'm trying to not drive much and may dump some oil in it as a stop gap. Got the 44 so I really don't want to kill it.
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Will low differential oil cause a squeaking noise when stopping and starting? I hear it only at low speed, and it sounds like it is coming from the rear. The Jeep has a leaking rear axle seal, but I don't have the space to replace myself, and don't have the $ for a mechanic until the New Year.

I'm trying to not drive much and may dump some oil in it as a stop gap. Got the 44 so I really don't want to kill it.
I have had mine hum from being low on oil...I dunno about "squeaking" though. You may consider popping the cover off, checkin it out, and refilling it with the correct amount of fluid. When I think squeakng, I would think bushings or something...or something that is rubbing.
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I know how to spell penguin perfectly fine Jerry. The user name is misspelled intentionally. Its a reference to an inside joke some friends of mine have. And Idk if you've ever used the mobile app, but you can't see where they're from with it. Also I'm supprised you have time to come comment here. Shouldn't you be getting ready to not compete in the king of hammers? Go play in traffic.
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Yup im from mexico I'm sorry my cousin put that for me and of course he doesn't speaks english very well so do I.
Thanks for all your help, i think I'm gonna use it just a little bit more like that but only on the street until i find a new wrangler or at least the spider gears.
But my main concern is if i change the spider gears will it make noise?
Thanks for your help
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Glad to have people like you from all over the world on the forum. If you just change out the spiders you should not encounter any noise. Keep it on the street, but from what you have described they will blow apart all the way sooner than later. Just changing out the spider gears would be cheapest too.
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Yup im from mexico I'm sorry my cousin put that for me and of course he doesn't speaks english very well so do I.
Thanks for all your help, i think I'm gonna use it just a little bit more like that but only on the street until i find a new wrangler or at least the spider gears.
But my main concern is if i change the spider gears will it make noise?
Thanks for your help
Now granted I'm in no way knowledgeable still a lot about my TJ, but I will put my .02 in here. I say keep the jeep and continue working on it. Heck, you bought it and I say keep it . Look online or at some salvage (junk) yard in your area and see if they have one or the other and in good condition. Or go to a auto store and ask if they can order you one. Not sure which area of Mexico your from, but it would be my second stop. First stop is coming here to ask questions
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(QUOTE)TAHOE BEN Will low differential oil cause a squeaking noise when stopping and starting? I hear it only at low speed, and it sounds like it is coming from the rear. The Jeep has a leaking rear axle seal, but I don't have the space to replace myself, and don't have the $ for a mechanic until the New Year.

I'm trying to not drive much and may dump some oil in it as a stop gap. Got the 44 so I really don't want to kill it.[/QUOTE]


I really doubt more or changing RA oil will make any difference. There is nothing in the spiders, ring or pinion that squeeks. Dana 44's are great RA's, I have many in my old classic cars.
Do you hear this noise when you first accelerate from a stop? or is it constant at low speeds? Do you feel any vibrations?

I had a squeaking noise when accelerating from a stop that a few weeks later led to a vibration. I found one of my original not grease able 'U' joints had gone bad.

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This is severe damge to a d35
Ouch that is something I hope to never see

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