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Old 12-06-2009, 09:37 AM   #1
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Spair Tire Carrier (Stock)

Although I probably already know the answer to this question....
I'm gonna ask it anyways.

I want to mod my spare tire with something other than the center cap.
Doing so would require me not using the bottom nut securing it to the tire carrier.
Do you think the top 2 nuts would secure the tire enough for street use only?

I'm kinda torn on the issue.
With just the top 2 nuts cranked down, the spare seems plenty secure to me.
However, logic tells me it's still probably not a good idea.

I run 33x12.50's btw.

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If you are holding a 33" spare on the stock carrier then I would worry more about tearing the tailgate up than 2 lug nuts not being enough to hold it on. A 33' is too much weight for the tailgate to last for very long before the tailgate will start cracking.

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Old 12-06-2009, 10:09 AM   #3
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If you are not stock. What size tire are you carrying?
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:18 AM   #4
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If you are holding a 33" spare on the stock carrier then I would worry more about tearing the tailgate up than 2 lug nuts not being enough to hold it on. A 33' is too much weight for the tailgate to last for very long before the tailgate will start cracking.

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Good point Donn.
Yeah...I've heard that before, but I've never had a problem with it.
The tailgate doesn't sag, and the all bolts are snug as can be.

It's a 98 Sahara.
From what I was told from the previous owner is that it was lifted and 33's were put on it not long after original purchase.
Throughout the past 11 years, the lift was changed, but it was always run with 33's.
If it hasn't caused issues with the tailgate in 11 years...I think it'll probably be alright.

From what I've heard,
some people have an issue with that right away, and others NEVER have that problem.
Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones.
Now that I've said that, IT'LL BREAK TOMORROW.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:42 AM   #5
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I run 35" x12.5"'s, I have the spare tire on the tail gate modified to fit the tire. It sags a little but has not done any other damage yet. 2000 miles of trailing and still as it was. I don't recommend this as it does sag a little. A swing-out would be nice.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:56 AM   #6
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I wouldn't mind having a swing-away tire carrier either.
The reason I haven't done that yet is because I've already mounted back up lights on top of the rear bumper. If I had a swing-away tire carrier, it would force me to remove them, and I don't have another good spot to mount them. I wouldn't want to go under the bumper, as they would most likely get torn off.

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Old 12-06-2009, 11:33 AM   #7
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a swing a way tire carrier will have more than enough spots for you to mount your lights. Dont ask me how your tail gate is not sagging, maybe he never opened it up, or never went offroading so it never received much stress.

Id say use 3 lug nuts and not 2.
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I was only running a 32" BFG on the stock carrier......My gate isnt sagging at all but my hinges are shot to hell causing the gate to rattle like hell.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:04 PM   #9
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Fakk it's cold outside!(bitching) Just cut the ends off of the Warn bumper.

My tail gate has a little wear. I backed into a tree and smacked the spare. Bent the gate and straitened it later. The gate does droop when opened, because of the heavy a$$ed 35" tire bolted to it. I would not recommend any tire over 32" on it. And to think, I was going to try and add two 5gal. MP Jerry cans on to it.
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It is cold here too!! I had to go to my top shelf of my closet and grab a sweatshirt today.....lol.

Anyway, we have a TJ with 33's. To me, logically like you say, it seemed like too much weight on the tailgate. We installed the Smittybilt rear bumper with tire carrier. I had to chime in and tell anyone that is listening or interested, learn from our mistake, DON'T WASTE YOUR $$ on this tire carrier. Sure it got the weight off of the tailgate (purpose of this post) but the fit and finish of this thing sucks. The installation was a big pain and now the tire sits at an angle away from the Jeep aka not parallel with the rear of Jeep.

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Old 12-06-2009, 04:58 PM   #11
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I wouldn't run a 33x12.50 tire on the stock carrier, the carrier itself is well known for eventually cracking and failing. My spare tire carrier failed carrying a 33x12.50 tire within 5-6 months even though I took all the usual precautions like shimming the rubber tire snubbers to prevent the tire/wheel from wiggling on the mount.
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Old 12-06-2009, 07:38 PM   #12
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x2 with the mounting rubbers and spacers. My gate is still intact, but I don't like it. If I put the spare in the bed of the truck(no rear seat). I would have to do something with the Hi-Lift. and gear (Lazy).
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Thanks for the responses.
I was actually more interested what everyone thought about 2 vs 3 lug nuts on the tire mount rather than the stock mount itself.
I know everyone tends to frown upon my 33 being on a stock mount, always have.
As for mounting my lights on a swing-away...
Doesn't seem logical to me for the wiring.
Every time you opened the thing, you'd have problems.

I know the previous owner didn't offroad much. (if at all)
He was a city slicker, and I doubt it left the pavement much at all.
The original owner was the same way.
As for me...I'm in the woods every weekend, but nothing heavy.
I've run it like that personally for over a year now without any issues.
The Pooch goes everywhere I do,
so the gate is opened at least 4 times a day as well.
Guess I've just been lucky with that stock carrier.
I know there's an upgraded rubber bump on there, wonder if that is what's helping it.
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you realize all you do is get longer wires if you mount the lights to the swing away?

Also you could just mount it to the bottom bumper which doesnt swing away
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Thanks for the responses.
I was actually more interested what everyone thought about 2 vs 3 lug nuts on the tire mount rather than the stock mount itself.
I think the worry is less about the weight, and more about vibration. W/ only two bolts, the tire is more likely to bounce, and that small vibration can tear the gate apart.

Make sure you keep everything tight, and avoid vibrations.
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you realize all you do is get longer wires if you mount the lights to the swing away?

Also you could just mount it to the bottom bumper which doesnt swing away
yeah....just don't like the idea of stringing them out like that every time I open the gate. I KNOW that I'd get em hung up on something and rip the damn things off...lol.

I never wanted to mount the lights underneath in fear of ripping them off.
I only have a 4" lift which sags a bit in the rear as it is.
Putting those lights underneath would take away another 2" of clearance or so at the very back. And even with the light-moderate stuff I do, I know they'd soon be dragging along behind me.
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I think the worry is less about the weight, and more about vibration. W/ only two bolts, the tire is more likely to bounce, and that small vibration can tear the gate apart.

Make sure you keep everything tight, and avoid vibrations.
yeah you're right...it would bounce back and forth with any kind of incline having that one missing, being as it's the lower of the 3. didn't really think of that. then my luck probably WOULD DEFINITELY run out with that gate.

guess i won't be doing that then.
awe well...have to go find something else to screw with...lol.
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I had a couple of CJ-5s (way back when) running 35" Gumbo Mudders and I never had a spare tire. Guess I got lucky but I see some TJs without spares every now and then. I'll keep mine on. Guess I'm getting old.
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I've had no hint of failure with a 33 x10.5 on a stock carrier. I would, however, be interested in actually having a shortened mount instead of extended bumpers. The 3.75" BS puts the spare out further creating more leverage.
Back on topic: I don't like the idea of 2 bolts.... it seems much too unstable even with a stock spare
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New to the Jeep lifestyle but agree about not leaving off an intended mounting bolt. I picked up an 03 with 33" and no spare so I am looking at the Olympic Xtreme Duty Tire Carrier offered by Quadratec. Can you get to the inside of the tailgate and reinforce it, where mount would bolt on? Says it is 1/4" steel and can hold a 37" tire so a 33" should not be a problem.
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Says it is 1/4" steel and can hold a 37" tire so a 33" should not be a problem.
The carrier is never is the problem, it's the crappy material that the tailgate is made from. I don't know if even reinforcing the tailgate would help if you do much offroading as the stress would just be placed farther out.

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Mine has had 2 lug nuts on it since I bought the jeep....Its not a huge concern to me. However I have it attached one top and one lower.

they are tight, its not going anywhere.

You can drive a vehicle on 3 lugs...so I'm not concerned on a non-weight bearing wheel and 2 lugs.
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One question (not to open a new topic with the same subject): will the factory tailgate support with no problems a 31 (BFG MT's) on a steel wheel? From what I've noticed, the new wheels are much heavier than the original alloy ones with 235/70R16 AT's and I am afraid that, when wheeling, on bouncy trails, etc, it will force on the hinges. On another forum some people was saying that the tailgate is not conceived to support heavier wheels than the stock one.
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One question (not to open a new topic with the same subject): will the factory tailgate support with no problems a 31 (BFG MT's) on a steel wheel? From what I've noticed, the new wheels are much heavier than the original alloy ones with 235/70R16 AT's and I am afraid that, when wheeling, on bouncy trails, etc, it will force on the hinges. On another forum some people was saying that the tailgate is not conceived to support heavier wheels than the stock one.
the risk of damage to the tailgate is real. I'm not sure anyone has come up with a magic weight as to say "you'll be safe as long as you don't put more than X lbs (or Y kg.) on the tailgate."

many people run up to a 33 on the stock mount. I've been told a 33'' is pushing it. I have 31'' BFG AT TA KO's on stock Canyons. and I haven't had any issues. this isn't to say you will have the same luck.

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