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Old 03-11-2008, 06:27 AM   #1
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My driveway was pretty flooded, and of course I went barrelling down it to make a big splash (it was fun). However, since then, my starter has not been starting in the cold. I removed it the first time it wouldn't start, and there was some water in it. I brought it inside, put a blow drier on it, remounted it and it worked. The next day I started it, it didn't start. So I took my mag flashlight and beat it as well as putting a blow drier on it again (it was another cold morning). Then this morning, same thing happened.

It has been starting up fine in the afternoon, when it is warmer.

So my question is this, how do I remove the moisture that is in my starter? I thought I had read some where to use a torch, is that effective, or am I liable to melt something?

Why am I getting water in my starter, should I not be driving my jeep through puddles?

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Old 03-11-2008, 06:48 AM   #2
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Dry it out with a hair dryer and then hit it with some WD40. Once you get it started, drive it around for a couple of hours or so to get it hot.

I would not suggest using a torch. However, you could throw it in your oven at low temp for an hour or so to drive off the moisture.

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Old 03-11-2008, 08:14 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply

Is this something "normal" to have happen? I mean, how is water getting in there? Should I put some kind of sealant on the starter?

Jeeps should be able to drive through puddles without getting water in the starter easily, am I right?

Thanks a lot!
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I've gone through dozens of deep puddles and mud bogs and never had a problem (now I probably jinxed myself).

As far as sealant, I have not removed my starter on this Jeep so I'm not sure. I'm inclined to say I do not think there is one but perhaps someone else on the forum can clarify that point.

I do not recall seals on the CJ starters or any of my other vehicles. Perhaps you have an issue that is internal (cracked armature or problem with a coil winding) that is marginal and becomes magnified under wet conditions. I believe there is a bench test to check the resistance acroos the winding and armature...again, perhaps someone on the forum can provide that extra detail.

If you feel confident it's the starter giving you a problem and not the wiiring, etc, then you may want to consider replacing it.
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The problem is...is that its a brand new (well remanufactured) starter (2 weeks old) that replaced the "faulty" original starter. It definately only exhibits the problem when it is cold (less than freezing) which makes me believe that moisture is definately in there. I plan on taking it out this weekend to play with it...I would like it to be the last time .
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How many miles are on it? The reason I ask, is that if there is a large amount of miles, there may be a problem with the starter cables. I had this problem with a '69 Mustang a about 10 years ago.

Basically, the car would start initially with no problem. Even if I had a short trip (5 miles) or so the car would restart. However, if I ran the car for an extended period of time and stopped the engine, the car would not restart. After chasing myself (replacing the starter, solenoid, battery) there was only one thing left- the cables.

After a while the conductors break down and canot carry the load. in my case, the engine heat off the 351 Windsor (with headers) made the cables too hot and reduced their load capacity. If I waited a long time (2-3 hours) the car would restart.
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Its a 2003 with 56k miles...I hope the cables aren't breaking down yet

Besides, it starts fine in warmer weather (it has been above freezing during the day for a few days now, and below freezing at night, for about the time the problem has been happening).
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I hope the cables aren't breaking down yet
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Its a 2003 with 56k miles...I hope the cables aren't breaking down yet

Besides, it starts fine in warmer weather (it has been above freezing during the day for a few days now, and below freezing at night, for about the time the problem has been happening).
A marginal battery will have problems in very cold conditions. Do you have one you can swap out to test it?
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:37 PM   #10
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The first time the jeep didn't start, I changed out the battery. (It was 5 years old as it was). So, I have a 900cca energizer battery in it now that is about a month old. Also, when trying to start it, the lights do not dim, etc.

Sometimes the soleniod clicks, and once the starter was spinning but it didn't turnover (guess it was jammed with ice?).

Regardless, when I hit it with my mag light and heat it with a hairdryer, it starts up fine.
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:01 PM   #11
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If you just bought it, its got to be under warranty. Take it back. You dont have to explain anything other than it doesn't work.
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I bought it used...
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I bought it used...
Well, you are taking your chances buying a used starter. I'd try to dry it out real good, lube the bendix up as much as you can and give it another try. If it locks up again, replace it with a new unit.
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Sorry, the starter is new (and in my own fault) I threw out the receipt, (bought it from Autozone).
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If u bought it from vatozone they should have u on record. It is not unusual.

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Regardless of all this...how is water getting into it? Should it be a sealed system? If I get a new one, whose to say that one won't freeze up too?
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Regardless of all this...how is water getting into it? Should it be a sealed system? If I get a new one, whose to say that one won't freeze up too?
I've found water in some interesting places. Once under my friends distributor cap. Water is very sneaky

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