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Old 03-29-2010, 02:17 PM   #1
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steering stabilizer(s) ??

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first- why do i have two steering stabilizers set up this way? does it do anything different?

second- my tie rod rubbed all the way through the upper stabilizer til it popped and leaked everywhere!! how can i replace this and make it so it wont rub anymore? it was the tie rod end bolt that rubbed through.

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Old 03-29-2010, 02:24 PM   #2
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Neither one of them look like their on correct. The lower one is def not normal and doesn't look like it is doing anything but being in the way.

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Old 03-29-2010, 02:30 PM   #3
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Thats what I was thinking but there is an actual fabricated bracket on there??
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Old 03-29-2010, 02:34 PM   #4
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the top one is correct, the lower one I have no idea wtf its doing there. Also steering stabilizers are not necessary to drive the vehicle
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If no one else does i'll try and put up a pic of mine later.
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That is weird . . . I'd rip the bottom one off altogether. The top one looks like it's in the right place, but you shouldn't have to worry about it making contact with the tie rod like that . . . scratching my head.
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Old 03-29-2010, 03:11 PM   #7
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i took a closer look. its connected to the lower tie rod and the track bar? here is a better pic. so what if i threw away the top broken one and use the bottom one but flip it over so the tie rod end wont rub against the cylinder?

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Old 03-29-2010, 03:13 PM   #8
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It may work. Just try it, I wonder if its even the proper shock? But yea take the bottom one off.
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Old 03-29-2010, 03:17 PM   #9
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Doesn't look like you can use that bottom stablizer in the stock position as it has the wrong end on it. Luckily you can pick up a decent stabilizer for about 40 bucks. Is anything on your steering bent causing the stabilizer on top to rub?
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oh wow very observant! i didnt even notice it wasnt a real stabilizer! nothing under there is bent that i can tell... but that tie rod end bolt is sticking up right there next to it. maybe someone could post a picture of their stabilizer. i have a 6 inch lift. would that make any difference? i would think so but i havent heard of any problems like this before.
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I'm probably wrong, but I don't see how that stablizer on the bottom is doing anything. Terrible2 is right inasmuch as you don't NEED a stablizer but they do cut down on rock kick.
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the bottom one should be installed on the track bar on the passenger side and on the tie rod on the driver side. if that how it is installed than it is correct. it looks like the bracket on the passenger side of the bottom one is possitioned incorrectly so when you turn the jeep it rubs the top one. when you turn your wheels in both directions all the way do you see what hitting the top steering stabalizer. I have both on my Jeep same setup no issues, it helps a little bit if you have bigger than stock tires.
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Old 03-29-2010, 07:03 PM   #13
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Yep after talking to some people it's called sn auxiliary stabilizer and it is correct. What happened was the tie rod end bolt was sticking straight out toward the upper one so whenever I turn and go over a bump the bolts digs right into the shock cylinder so I just need to loosen it and point it down a little
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Whether it's installed correctly or not, a couple things come to mind. First, why do you need the extra one? Seems to me that if one isn't enough, then rather than slapping another on there, I'd want to find the root of the issue and fix that rather than masking it. Second, if it is there to compensate for larger tires . . . replace that flimsy stock tie-rod . . . quick . . . and I assume you want bigger tires for extra clearance . . . why would you want that hanging down there to snag on something. My vote stays . . . remove the bottom one, get a new one for the stock spot, and adjust things to aviod a puncture . . . just my .02.
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I really dont see it being installed correctly, ive seen them where two come together parallel to the tie rod. The bottom one is not doing anything at all, that tie rod does not move the way the shock it. I can guarantee it is installed incorrectly, did you talk to a guy at 4wd or something?
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i talked to the guy at my local 4wd shop. why wouldnt it be doing anything. its mounted to the lower end of the track bar then on the tie rod. its legit people and it cant be a bad thing to have two..... but with my upper one blown i only have the lower one for right now and it doesnt feel any different, so just because there are two doesnt mean there are problems.... I cant decide if i should upgrade the steering or do a long arm kit first. which would be better?
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It is attempt to dampen movement between the track bar and the tie rod. An attmept to reduce death wobble.
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I would suggest upgrading your steering first. With the 35" tires your stock tie rod is very weak. Go with a Currie, they are currently at the top of the crop. If you don't want to spend that much go with the Crown, their kit also comes with a steering dampener. The Crown kit is basiclly the ZJ tie rod upgrade. Though you can refresh your whole steering(drag link, tie rod, tie rod ends, and steering dampener) for less than you would pay at an auto store. I picked up mine last week for only 170 at rompalicious.com. Though I only have 33's right now and only plan to go to 35's as it will be a DD as well. I don't need the strength of the Currie so save the money for other upgrades.

Oh and when you get new control arms, you definatly want to go with adjustable ones, that way you don't have to upgrade when you get say, an SYE(edit: just realized that your Jeep profile shows you already have one), or a Tummy Tuck, or upgrade the axles.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:51 AM   #19
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Oh and a side note having dual steering dampeners on a TJ is over kill on anything with less that 40" tires. Get your clearance and peace of mind back and get rid of the lower one. Normally duals are placed directly parallel to each other on the drag link.
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It is attempt to dampen movement between the track bar and the tie rod. An attmept to reduce death wobble.

Death wobble isn't caused by not having a dampener . . . all adding another dampener is going to do is attempt to cover up the real issue causing the wobble . . . unbalanced tires, bad trackbar bushing or worn bracket hole, etc. IMO . . . a shop that would add another dampener to reduce death wobble, probably doesn't know much about the causes of death wobble and wouldn't be a place I'd trust for advice . . . 4WP would be my first guess.

x2 on upgrading the steering first. The Currie is hard to beat if you're going to be wheeling with bigger tires.
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Wow most of you are really against running two stabilizers....... but i already stated that im running on one right now with no problems at all. so all its doing is helping the ever so slight vibe from my stupid ugly interco mud tires!!

but i think i may go with that crown kit for steering upgrade because im not a hardcore wheeler by any means. Has anyone ran into any problems with this kit??
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Death wobble isn't caused by not having a dampener . . . all adding another dampener is going to do is attempt to cover up the real issue causing the wobble . . . unbalanced tires, bad trackbar bushing or worn bracket hole, etc. IMO . . . a shop that would add another dampener to reduce death wobble, probably doesn't know much about the causes of death wobble and wouldn't be a place I'd trust for advice . . . 4WP would be my first guess.

x2 on upgrading the steering first. The Currie is hard to beat if you're going to be wheeling with bigger tires.
..and Jeep's TSB for death wobble installs a heaver steering damper. Go figure...
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Wow most of you are really against running two stabilizers....... but i already stated that im running on one right now with no problems at all. so all its doing is helping the ever so slight vibe from my stupid ugly interco mud tires!!

but i think i may go with that crown kit for steering upgrade because im not a hardcore wheeler by any means. Has anyone ran into any problems with this kit??
I have run into a problem with their kit, though my kit was just put together wrong, the tie rod ends were the wrong type. They had the right thread size and fit in the adjusting sleeves but were too long and the ends didn't torque down right. Told them about it and showed them pics and they sent me another kit free, and will pick up the old kit free. See my Steering Upgrade thread to see what I mean.

Other than that mix up it is a great upgrade for the price
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That does not sound like fun. so can I install this kit and get it close in my garage then just take it to get aligned after?? Or would it be better to have a shop do it?
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..and Jeep's TSB for death wobble installs a heaver steering damper. Go figure...
I'm surprised to hear that . . . left scratching my head . . . I just don't understand why you'd want something covering up the issue vs. correcting the cause. Just seems like you'd allow the problem to grow by masking it with another or stronger dampener, until it got so bad that even the dampening wouldn't help. Death wobble means something is wrong, a dampener just isn't going to fix anything . . . more of a bandaid type of fix IMO.
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That does not sound like fun. so can I install this kit and get it close in my garage then just take it to get aligned after?? Or would it be better to have a shop do it?
Absolutely . . . it's a really easy job. You can even find write ups here showing you how to align it yourself too.
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That does not sound like fun. so can I install this kit and get it close in my garage then just take it to get aligned after?? Or would it be better to have a shop do it?

Yes you can do it yourself, though I am not confident enough in my ability to set my toe in so I will be driving it straight to a shop after the install. Make sure you are close to one when you do the install.

I read over this write-up before I did my install. Though it is so straight forward I needed no instruction when I was out there.(FYI my kit didn't even have instructions) Just remember all bolts are at 55ft-lbs except the drag link to tie rod which is 65ft-lbs.
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Definitely wouldnt trust a 4wp guy for advice, theyll go with what you say and make up lies on the spot, not that theyre bad people, but because theyre good salesmen

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