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Old 07-22-2009, 08:36 PM   #31
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I have got the feeling that those back springs are a bit soft though.
That, and/or they're a little overloaded with the hard top.
Mine doesn't sit like yours, it sags a bit in the back.
I don't know if the top would cause that or not.
It weighs about 150-200 right?
I like the way your sits though.
That's how I'd like mine to sit. (with the top and spare on)

I also like your Mickey's.
Do they wear like an s.o.b. on the pavement?
It could be the spring are soft and the width of the wheels when flexing.

Yes your top weighs about 173lbs.

I too have a hard top "also soft and other tops" and a rear tire carrier and full size spare. But I don't get any sag from the hardtop.

But our coils are VERY different. The spring rate of mine is much higher than the terra flex TJ coils.

The tires are Interco TRXUS M/T's "super swampers" and are a good tire so far. They are actually great on wet/icy pavement and quiter than the BFG at's they replaced on my heep. They are wearing great. Not fast at all.

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unfortunately with the stock flairs you will get rub with a wider tire when your flexing. when your tire goes up its going to hit because the flair isnt wide enough to clear the tire, end of story. you have a nice lift and the correct wheels but the flairs just arent wide enough. if you really dont want to get new flairs i would put a 2" bb on top of the lift or a 1.25" body lift so that you wont rub. if you dont allready have a sye and cv the bb lift will make you need one so a body lift might be the way to go. the other thing that you could think about is cutting the stock flairs so that they are flat and that will stop the rubbing.

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Probably on a hard bump they don't hit. But when you twist it up - articulate - it hits.

Try something - jack up the wheel - you should be able to see why it's hitting. You'll see why it's moving toward the fender edge, even if you can't make it actually touch.
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It could be the spring are soft and the width of the wheels when flexing.

I too have a hard top "also soft and other tops" and a rear tire carrier and full size spare. But I don't get any sag from the hardtop.

But our coils are VERY different. The spring rate of mine is much higher than the terra flex TJ coils.
I didn't know if the weight of my hard top would cause sag or not.
When I popped off the spare last night, it didn't budge.
Thanks for the specs. on the wheel btw, guess my measurement was just a hair off. 3 1/2 vs 3 5/8.

What coils are you running?
Do you think switching to a different brand or even some longer Teraflex springs would solve the problem? The reason I say longer Teraflex is because I like the way it rides right now. I don't know if a different brand would cause a rougher ride. How is your ride on the pavement?

I also thought of putting 2" coil spacers in there before too,
just like what is stated above. At that time I was just wanting to even out the rear end height, or even gain a bit. Which would be a better way to go with that? BB definitely hurts the wallet less, but new coils are the correct way to do it.

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unfortunately with the stock flairs you will get rub with a wider tire when your flexing. when your tire goes up its going to hit because the flair isnt wide enough to clear the tire, end of story. you have a nice lift and the correct wheels but the flairs just arent wide enough. if you really dont want to get new flairs i would put a 2" bb on top of the lift or a 1.25" body lift so that you wont rub. if you dont allready have a sye and cv the bb lift will make you need one so a body lift might be the way to go. the other thing that you could think about is cutting the stock flairs so that they are flat and that will stop the rubbing.
Yeah, I really hate BL's, so I know I won't go that way.
I don't have a sye or a cv, but I don't seem to get that vibration that people talk about.
I'm thinking it's because my rear end sits a bit lower than the front, but I really don't know...I'm just guessing.
I've heard those parts are really expensive though.
Is that true?
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Any other thoughts on how to fix this rubbing guys?
(short of new springs or new flares)
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The above mentioned body lift is and option. Go with a spacer (cheaper) in the rear or a 1.25" body lift. Its about $125. Also remembering past pics of your jeep it seemed that your rear springs have sagged. I'm not absolutely sure but it looked lower in the back.
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I really don't like the look of a BL.
So it'd would have to be coil spacers or springs for me.
I thought you could get a set of spacers for cheaper than $125?
Are any better than another?
What's the max size I should go with if I go that route?

Yes, the rear sags.
I'm gonna say by at least 2", maybe more.
What's your opinion on a sye and cv?
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Spacers are much cheaper than $125, the body kits are about that much. I just wrote that wrong. I have a 4" kit with no SYE and have no problems. I also have a D35 in back. Its always a gamble when you get to the 4" mark on lifts. You can buy stackable 1" spacers and remove one if it becomes too much.
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A sign of having a problem is that vibration that people speak of right?

Since I'm having sag in the rear, then I'm probably not truly at the 4" mark as the front is. So it sounds like I may be safe with that.
Do spacers make any difference to your pavement ride,
or would that just come with stiffer springs?
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A sign of having a problem is that vibration that people speak of right?
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Since I'm having sag in the rear, then I'm probably not truly at the 4" mark as the front is. So it sounds like I may be safe with that.
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Do spacers make any difference to your pavement ride,
or would that just come with stiffer springs?
No difference in ride and no new springs. The spacers just insert on top of you existing spring.
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Yeah, I know I wouldn't need new springs with the spacers.
Maybe I'll consider that then.
It's most likely be the cheapest way to do it,
and even if it doesn't solve the problem,
at least I might be able to even out the way my Jeep sits.
I just don't like having to do things twice, ya know?
Thanks Rob.

Any other suggestions or opinions on this matter are welcome.
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I use an OME LJ lift coil in the rear. My lift is a hybrid OME lift...."not off the shelf".

I to notice the sag in your rear..<--- that sounds bad. lol.

A 1'' coil spacer could fix it right up bud.
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I use an OME LJ lift coil in the rear. My lift is a hybrid OME lift...."not off the shelf".

I to notice the sag in your rear..<--- that sounds bad. lol.

A 1'' coil spacer could fix it right up bud.
That DOES sound bad.

Since I have a 2"-3" sag,
do ya think I could safely get away with a 3 or 4 puck stack?
I want the rear to at least sit even with the front,
but would actually like it an inch or so higher,
that way when it's loaded it stays even.
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That DOES sound bad.

Since I have a 2"-3" sag,
do ya think I could safely get away with a 3 or 4 stack?
I want the rear to at least sit even with the front,
but would actually like it an inch or so higher,
that way when it's loaded it stays even.
Most lifts are set up that way. You can always pull a spacer out if you get vibes.
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Are you talking about a 3 or 4'' stacked spacers????

I'd never stack spacers bud.

2'' spacer would be ok but I beleive you'll be doing more due to getting vibe from the hieght in the rear.

The rear wheel well opening IS lower than the front giving the apperance of it sitting lower in the rear also.
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They make stackable spacers in 1" 1.5".
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Are you talking about a 3 or 4'' stacked spacers????

I'd never stack spacers bud.

2'' spacer would be ok but I beleive you'll be doing more due to getting vibe from the hieght in the rear.

The rear wheel well opening IS lower than the front giving the apperance of it sitting lower in the rear also.
I was talking about stacking 3-4 1" spacers.
I really don't know if that's good or bad.
4 point seems to feel it's okay, I just don't personally know.
Don't want to cause an argument,
I'm just wondering if it is doable and/or safe.
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4point is on crack..and wrong.....

wait ...i'm wrong...no he is , I'm right.

J/K....Neither of us know crap about jeeps.

seriously....

Can you stack spacers....Yes.....But....What I'm getting at is the lift height in your rear...your 4'' springs have sagged...so lets say they are "just for exp" ... at 3'' of lift now......3'' lift plus 3''/4'' of spacers....= 6 to 7'' of lift.
Not only will you need longer control arms to center your axle but..many other items...adjustable upper arms, maybe sye and longer driveshaft...plus the simple fact 6'' to 7'' is just too much for a short arm lift.
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I agree that 3-4, 1" spacers would be too much. To much lift and to many spacers. I wouldn't do any more than two of any combination of sizes.
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4point is on crack..and wrong.....

wait ...i'm wrong...no he is , I'm right.

J/K....Neither of us know crap about jeeps.

seriously....

Can you stack spacers....Yes.....But....What I'm getting at is the lift height in your rear...your 4'' springs have sagged...so lets say they are "just for exp" ... at 3'' of lift now......3'' lift plus 3''/4'' of spacers....= 6 to 7'' of lift.
Not only will you need longer control arms to center your axle but..many other items...adjustable upper arms, maybe sye and longer driveshaft...plus the simple fact 6'' to 7'' is just too much for a short arm lift.
lol.

No, I don't want to run into those issues either.
I was just thinking a 3-4" boost becuase it appears to be sagging 2-3" in the rear. Then it would give me about an inch above where the front sits.
Guess it doesn't work that way though.

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I agree that 3-4, 1" spacers would be too much. To much lift and to many spacers. I wouldn't do any more than two of any combination of sizes.
Maybe two 1.5",
or a 1" and a 1.5" then.
Or maybe just one 2" puck.
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Any special tools needed?
Spring Compressor, etc.?
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Most lifts are higher in the back by an 1" for the reason of loading just as you mentioned. Many people will add a spacer in the front to level it out. You have just the opposite going on and if you lift it to high you will get vibes. You may want to just shoot for level right now and see if it gives you the clearance you need. You could also get another smaller spacer to stack on it and see if it works out OK by avoiding the vibes. The investment is low and can be fixed easily by removing a spacer if you decide you don't need it. I won't say the spacers are the best fix for all this because new coils are what are needed. You were trying to do this the most inexpensive way and this is it.
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^^^ what he said.
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Most lifts are higher in the back by an 1" for the reason of loading just as you mentioned. Many people will add a spacer in the front to level it out. You have just the opposite going on and if you lift it to high you will get vibes. You may want to just shoot for level right now and see if it gives you the clearance you need. You could also get another smaller spacer to stack on it and see if it works out OK by avoiding the vibes. The investment is low and can be fixed easily by removing a spacer if you decide you don't need it. I won't say the spacers are the best fix for all this because new coils are what are needed. You were trying to do this the most inexpensive way and this is it.
Yeah, I know that new coils are what I really need.
Just don't have that kind of cash laying around right now.
Last time I priced them, they were running $200 or so a piece.
Doing this for $100 or so isn't bad in comparison to $400-$500.

If you guys were to buy new coils for what I need,
what type do you both recommend?
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I think distorted will agree OME is the way to go when it comes to coils.
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If I remember right...teraflex had a huge clearance on alot of their coils and was selling some for $35 a piece....might be worth calling them to see if they still have that deal.

There are many different coils to get you where you want. Just about every maker has a 4'' coil or 4.5'' coil. The teraflex are like because they do flex well but are a softer coil. Rough Country flexes moderate and is stiff as can be. RE is more between the two. ANd the list goes on.

Since you like the ride you have now I'd give teraflex a call and see what kind of deal you can get on new coils. If they are alittle to short for your liking they also have a 5'' coil.
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I think distorted will agree OME is the way to go when it comes to coils.
Yep. Love OME and you can get there coils in different coil rates and heights.

My rear coils in my TJ are actually ...2.5 LJ lift coils... gave me 3'' of lift with the hard top, tire carrier, full size spare and loaded tool chest I carry in the rear.

If you do like the idea of running OME or hybrid coils with a coil rate to match your needs. Give Dirk a call at DPGoffroad.com. He can set you up with the coil you need for what weight or less weight you have.
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Wow, that's a smoke'n deal!
I'll have to give them a call and see what they have to say.
The shop I normally deal with definitely isn't passing on those savings.
They were the ones that quoted $200 or so on Teraflex.
And if Teraflex coils are what's causing part of the problem, I didn't know if I should go with them or not.
But it's definitely worth a call.
If I can't get a good deal, the spacers will probably be the way that I go.

Distorted, 4point....
many thanks for your help guys.

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