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Old 01-22-2010, 03:45 PM   #1
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Question Superwinch LP8500 or EP9000?

I'm looking for a winch and it's hard to decide. I cannot afford a Warn, so I decided for a Superwinch (it is slightly more expensive than a T-Max, but I prefer this brand in front of the T-Max).
I found the LP8500 for around 450 Euros and the EP9000 for around 600 Euros. Which one should I buy?
I like the EP for the recovery speed and for the extra 500lbs. I like the LP for the price and for the weight.
One more question: hawse fairlead (that comes standard with the LP8500) or a roller fairlead (that comes standard with the EP and as an option for the LP)?
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I just picked up the LP8500 and went out and purchased a roller fairlead. 450 Euros seems like a lot. I paid around $375 US delivered.

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Old 01-23-2010, 02:40 AM   #3
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OK, but you should take into account that here, in Europe, everyting is more expensive than in US (we have custom taxes, and VAT - that ranges from 15 to 20%).
So, 400-450 Euros is a good price for a brand Winch.
The question is if the price difference is worth it or not (I cannot afford an expensive winch, but I want a reliable one - I don't want if for the mall parking - for that, even an empty Chinese winch body with some cable will do - here, the mall fans will not make any difference).
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Have you looked at a Superwinch EPi9.0S Synthetic? That was the other one I was looking at at the time that I purchased mine. The reason I didn't go for that one was a cost consideration, funds are tight. If they were not, I would have most likely gone with the EPi9.0S. It's basically the same as the EP9000, but with synthetic rope and a hawse fairlead.

Between just the LP8500 and the EP9000, I believe the EP9000 would make a better trail winch because of the higher spool speeds. The LP8500 will get it done, the EP9000 will get it done faster. The extra 500 lb capacity is a bonus. Another thing to consider is the LP8500 comes with a hawse fairlead, and the EP9000 comes with a roller fairlead standard.

My 2 cents worth anyway. Hope it helps.
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I would go for the EP9000 because not only does it have a little more winching capacity, it also doesn't require quite as many amperes from the electrical system to winch the same load as the LP8500 does.
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Thanks, Jerry,
I will think about it, 'though the budget is tight (I wheel once a month or so, so the winch is something not extremly necessary, but usefull).
Actually, I was thinking, initially, about the EP9, but I found this special offer (in UK) for the LP8500 and my thought changed a bit...
This is why I posted this question... once I was decided, after that I found this offer and now I don't know what to choose.
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Arent there any winch makers in europe that you would be able to buy for cheaper? Im pretty sure that you could buy it from the states and have it shipped there for alot cheaper even after paying import taxes and shipping.

I believe the Euro is still roughly 1.5x more than the US Dollar which means youre paying like $675 on a $375 winch.
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Arent there any winch makers in europe that you would be able to buy for cheaper? Im pretty sure that you could buy it from the states and have it shipped there for alot cheaper even after paying import taxes and shipping.

I believe the Euro is still roughly 1.5x more than the US Dollar which means youre paying like $675 on a $375 winch.
No, it seems that there are no European winch manufacturers . There are some "European" brands (like "Golden Winch", "Horn", "Lift UK", etc), but they are nothing but cheap Chinese winches (the same as the "Chicago Electrics etc) with an "European" brand on it. The cheapest somewhat good winches that you can find here are T-Max and Superwinch. Actually I have three options: very good winches - Ramsey, or Warn, but they are very expensive (a Warn will sell for 1000 Eorus or so), good winches (T-Max, Superwinch, etc), that you can find for 500-900 Euros (the LP8500 is in a sale) or cheap ones that sell for 250-400 Euros (usually, they are good for showing them in the mall parking ).
As for the shipping from US, this nis extremely costly due to the weight. For a 400$ winch I have to pay almost 400$ for the shipping. After this, I need to pay 10% custom taxes for the entire value (that is 80 $) and, furthermore, the VAT, that is 19% of the total (880$), thus ending at a final value of 1050$ (~700 Euros) for a 400$ winch. You see - living in Europe can be expensive...
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I still don't know what to buy, but I know that now I have a new dillema: EP9 or EP9i?
Wich would be the advantage of an EP9i vs EP9?
From what I understood, a problem that can arise is having a lot of cable spooled on one side (if you had no choice but winching at an angle and, if not carefull enough), -this could break the winch housing (the brackets where the tiebars are fixed). The bridge version seems to allow for more clearance (though I think that this is a false impression since I would be limited on the lower part, betwen the winch and the plate). Is it so or it's just a myth? How do you avoid overstacking the cable on one side (if you don't have a choice, but to winch at an angle)?
And one more question: is it true that on EP series the freespool is a PITA?
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I would go for the EP9i. You have the same rope clearance with either and the 'i' version is a lot easier and faster to install.
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I would go for the EP9i. You have the same rope clearance with either and the 'i' version is a lot easier and faster to install.
Thanks again, Jerry.
Why would it be easier to install? As far as I understand, the EP comes with the solenoid box already attached, isn't it?
Anyway, if it will be, it will be the EPi for the extra 8m of cable.

What about the freespooling. Is it true what's said, that it's very hard to freespool? A lot harder than in case of other winches (Warn, Smittybuilt, T-Max etc)?
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After reading up on the EP, I was surprised to learn that it appears to have its solenoid box attached to the winch already so its installation looks to be the same as with the EPi. Most other winches that are not 'i' models (do not have an integrated solenoid enclosure) have a separately mounted solenoid box which involves a few extra steps.

So even though the EP doesn't have the traditional integrated solenoid enclosure like the EPi does, the EP's smaller solenoid enclosure does appear to be attached by the factory. I learn something new every day. I can't comment on its free-spooling, I haven't touched a Superwinch in years.
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I would go with a synthetic cabled winch after dealing with my steel cable
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I would go with a synthetic cabled winch after dealing with my steel cable
I totally agree with you, but the budget is an issue so, for the moment, it will be steel cable, for sure.

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