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Old 09-22-2009, 11:41 AM   #1
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Suspension photos at last

I posted a couple of questions a few days ago trying to get my Jeep knowledge up to speed. Several people mentioned suspension photos so I finally got that done.
Unless I'm mistaken it's apparent that my jeep is not running BB lifts. When I purchased it there were brand new 33X12.50's on it as well as fender flares. Most folks told me that the 33 simply wouldn't fit without some type of lift. The 33's are on 15X8 wheels with a 5 1/2" bs. Obviously they do rub during full lock turns but not otherwise. The Jeep hasn't been off-road and I never will do anything really serious with it but I am taking it to Moab in a couple of weeks and would like to do very easy jeep trails without incurring any body damage.
I'm looking at Rubicon Express BB with monotube shocks, I looked at Old Man Emu but it seems to be a more complicated process with their products. Anyone have any thoughts, advice etc. on a decent basic lift without a complete overhaul of the suspension. Price really isn't a big issue but quality is, I'd rather do it once.
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from the looks of things there are no suspension upgrades. your easiest route will probably be a budget boost and BL to get the clearance you need. on the other hand you may consider a rough country lift from the sound of prices (i have no experience with the brand). going with a new lift will take more time and work tho...

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That looks stock to me! As far as the Rough Country goes man they have come a long way over the years! They make good products at a unbeatable price! I have the 4" RC lift and I'm very happy with it! Performs well in all situations!
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^I really want to do the RC 4", it's lookin like the 2nd week in October now. I have Light guards, Rokmen Front bumper, fender guards etc.. in route now. What an addiction....
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but yes for the price and the height, and descent performance RC is one of the best values out there
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I would keep it simple.. 2" bb or coil lift and a 1" body lift. Should not cause drive line issues, and may not even need a t-case drop.
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I would keep it simple.. 2" bb or coil lift and a 1" body lift. Should not cause drive line issues, and may not even need a t-case drop.
I agree. If you decide to go with ANY other lift you will be replacing your entire suspension. With a BB and BL the only thing u will be replacing with your suspension will be your shocks, and adding the spacer in.
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I went with the RC 4" Suspension Lift. The price was right. T-Case Drop Kit was included. Needed to add a steering stabilizer. However, I had a Slip Yoke Eliminator Installed because of Drive Line vibration. That cost nearly as much as the lift did. I love the height and the ride.
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don't even take that thing down a gravel drive way as it sits now

i would definately advise against any off roading untill you get some lift.
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I just orderd this because it was cheap and had everything I needed. I am only going to run 31s and maybe put in some sway bar disconects. Maybe put a 1 inch body lift with that and youd be good. RE7030 - TJ/LJ 2" BUDGET SPACER SYSTEM - Rubicon Express
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don't even take that thing down a gravel drive way as it sits now

i would definately advise against any off roading untill you get some lift.
Yeah she looks like a small bump would trim the fenders right up.
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I know I'm only a week and a half into Jeep ownership, but I have to say that bb just doesn't seem the way to go. I bought an 06 Rub/Unl set up this way, and I just do not like it. Did some MILD off roading on Monday, and was completely dissapointed.

If you want to lift, put down the extra bucks and get a good suspension lift with new taller springs etc.

I like the looks of the RC 4" myself, time to replace what she came with!

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i love my RE 4.5 superflex kit. its more expensive than the rc but i love it. did a sye and shaft when i did the kit so i never tried a drop kit with it. i run 35's but i do need another inch or so to really wheel hard without rubbing. hate to tell you but there is not a trail in moab that you can go down in that jeep the way it is without ripping those flairs off. personally id be surprised if a speed bump didnt rip them off.
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your bump stop mounts have been extended like hell to keep your suspention from traveling enough for the tires to bottom out in the wheel wells. you now have next to NO suspention travel.

Those orange rubber things should be sitting against the same plate that the top of the spring is pressing against, not way down where they are now.
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I know I'm only a week and a half into Jeep ownership, but I have to say that bb just doesn't seem the way to go. I bought an 06 Rub/Unl set up this way, and I just do not like it. Did some MILD off roading on Monday, and was completely dissapointed.

If you want to lift, put down the extra bucks and get a good suspension lift with new taller springs etc.

I like the looks of the RC 4" myself, time to replace what she came with!

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BB/BL combo is a great combo for those who can't afford the more expensive kits no matter how much they want it.

How much lift is on your set?
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Left is my Jeep, right is from RE instuctions. They look about the same to me.
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They don't look even close to me. The spacing between the bump stop and spring perch is larger in the RE photo and if you look at the sway bar, your's is level. In the RE photo, the sway bay is angled down a great deal.


Oh.... I see what you're saying. They appear to be the same, but your bump stop is too long for your suspension. No travel. You need more space between the perch and the stop.
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They don't look even close to me. The spacing between the bump stop and spring perch is larger in the RE photo and if you look at the sway bar, your's is level. In the RE photo, the sway bay is angled down a great deal.


Oh.... I see what you're saying. They appear to be the same, but your bump stop is too long for your suspension. No travel. You need more space between the perch and the stop.
If the stops were shorter than they are it appears that the axle could contact the frame during a hard deflection. To me it appears that they are about the correct length to protect the axle/frame.
Please understand I'm not arguing, just trying hard to understand what I'm seeing.
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Left is my Jeep, right is from RE instuctions. They look about the same to me.

Correct they are in fact the same. You have no lift and your bumpstops are the factory ones. Yes the person who bought it before you found a set of 33's that would fit. The RE front axle is lower than yours, most likey as they lowered the jack down or don't have a jack on the axle, just at the frame location seen in the picture. I think stock there is about 2-3" between the plate on the axle and the rubber orange bumpstop bottom.

You have two things to consider, uptravel, and down travel, the bump stop limites uptravel so the tire or other parts dont hit things like fenders, frames etc..

This is one of my past jeeps below: has a rustys 3" kit and a 1" body lift the 33's. It has the stock bumpstops. You can see how even with small flex a tire go's into the the fender. Longer bumstops in this case would have helped.



Here is another past jeep.. with no lift and 30" tires.. thus you can see the spacing and just as yours.. I could have shoe horned in the right size 33's...



As I said before consider a min of 3" of lift, correct bumpstops to keep them out of the fenders helps too.
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The RE front axle is lower than yours, most likey as they lowered the jack down or don't have a jack on the axle, just at the frame location seen in the picture. I think stock there is about 2-3" between the plate on the axle and the rubber orange bumpstop bottom.
like 4jeepn said, the reason the distance is so much greater in the picture to the right is because the jeep is on jack stands on the frame, allowing the axle to fall and extend the suspension. this is why the sway bar is also at a different angle. it looks as if geeper's suspension is actually compressed some as if it is jacked up at the axle.
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like 4jeepn said, the reason the distance is so much greater in the picture to the right is because the jeep is on jack stands on the frame, allowing the axle to fall and extend the suspension. this is why the sway bar is also at a different angle. it looks as if geeper's suspension is actually compressed some as if it is jacked up at the axle.
Absolutely correct, the photo was taken while the jeep was jacked up from the axle. The RE photo shows a jack stand under the frame so the suspension was extended.
At any rate the bumpstops appear to be the same (stock?) in both photos. I'm ordering a set of RE BB doughnuts today. Hopefully they'll get here in time to install them before the Moab trip. I really don't want to damage the fender flares if I can avoid it.
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Absolutely correct, the photo was taken while the jeep was jacked up from the axle. The RE photo shows a jack stand under the frame so the suspension was extended.
At any rate the bumpstops appear to be the same (stock?) in both photos. I'm ordering a set of RE BB doughnuts today. Hopefully they'll get here in time to install them before the Moab trip. I really don't want to damage the fender flares if I can avoid it.
if all else fails just lose the fender flares lol nothing a little trimming wont fix
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BB/BL combo is a great combo for those who can't afford the more expensive kits no matter how much they want it.

How much lift is on your set?
She came with a 2" suspension spacer that appears to be over the spring and a 1" body. I may have an extra distaste for the setup because the previous owner seems to have not have been totally honest about the condition of the vehicle.

It just looks wrong and doesn't give the lift I'm looking for.

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