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Old 02-07-2008, 08:14 PM   #1
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sway bar is loose. but cant get the nut to tighten or loosen.

was gonna do an alignment tonight and noticed that i can move my driver side wheel. turns out where my swaybar connects to the spindle was loose. but i cant get the nut to tighten or loosen, it just spins. How do i get it off other than sawzall?

this is the nut im talking about.

part 2.

where my drag link connects to the spindle on the passenger side wheel the grease zirc is busted off. do i need to replace the drag link or is it not that big of a deal?


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I think you need some new terminology. The first picture is pointing to the tie rod end. The tie rod end goes into the knuckle.


Put your jack under the tie rod end to put pressure on the rod end. It will hold itself against the tapered fitting in the knuckle. Then you can remove the castle nut.

The grease zerk isn't that big of a deal. I would pull out any part of the old grease zerk and replace it with a new one. Then lube generously.

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thanks for the new terminology. lol im used to them mini trucks and it looks like a spindle so i just figured thats what it was. and the sway bar thing was me being dumb, lol idk why i put sway bar instead of tie rod. i guess i keep thinking of the s-10.
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if you want to give everything a good once over have someone sit at the steering wheel with the engine off. Have them turn the steering wheel back and forth just enough to change directions. Watch all your components. You will see and feel what is wrong in the front end.
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well what you suggested worked great! It tightened right up. this makes me wonder if thats why i had death wobble slightly. Because i could move the wheel about a 1/8". Although my passenger front was wearing so ill do the alignment anyways to make sure.

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well that could be it, Having the wheel wobble left and right is enough to cause it.

Only the passenger was wearing? which side was wearing? inside or outside? If its the toe in thats messed up it should be wearing on both tires, not just one.
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That hasn't been my experience at all. One tire tracks straight and the other gets the wear markings.
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Mr C, unless they are crooked as in the camber or caster i dont see how Toe In can be wearing only a single front tire. I mean if your right tire is pointing inwards it will push the rig to the left so you have to steer right to even it out.
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Mr C, unless they are crooked as in the camber or caster i dont see how Toe In can be wearing only a single front tire. I mean if your right tire is pointing inwards it will push the rig to the left so you have to steer right to even it out.
You are correct however the tire that is pointing straight will not wear at the same place or pace as the tire that is toe'd more.
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You are correct however the tire that is pointing straight will not wear at the same place or pace as the tire that is toe'd more.
I just had this problem. I had lots of toe in though (vs my image w/ toe out). Both of my front tires are worn on the outside and they are both worn outside the same amount.

Here is my image, imagine the red tire is 30 degrees crooked outwards (toe out) I know a lot but it shows the idea much easier.

the black tire is straight ahead and the blue arrow is where the rig should be going. The red i actual direction since the red tire pulls the rig a bit in its direction so you need to steer to the left so they are even so you can go straight.
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Old 02-08-2008, 05:14 PM   #11
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Are the arrows pointing forward or backward, because if their backward you've got worse problems than toe in.
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My image is toed out.. so the vehicle is going in the direction the arrows are pointing.

On my rig i had 1" difference between the front and the rear of the front tires.

front was 1" less than the rear measurement.
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I don't think so. I think you're going the other way.
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I had lots of toe in though (vs my image w/ toe out).
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My image is toed out.. so the vehicle is going in the direction the arrows are pointing.
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I don't think so. I think you're going the other way.

Nope i'm not.

http://www.geminicarcare.com/services/wheel_info.html
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i dont see how Toe In can be wearing only a single front tire.
Just the way it works.


Your jeep will follow whichever tire has the dominant grip pattern on the road causing the other tire to wear abnormally.
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Your jeep will follow whichever tire has the dominant grip pattern on the road causing the other tire to wear abnormally.
right but thats unless you're running different hardness and psi tires or each tire is on different road surface they will both have the same grip or very close.

When i had my toe in very bad few weeks ago, when in snow it would wonder left and right because the tire that went over the snow would loose grip and the other one would steer the jeep.
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When i had my toe in very bad few weeks ago, when in snow it would wonder left and right because the tire that went over the snow would loose grip and the other one would steer the jeep.

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your tires dont really wear that much on the snow though do they?

On a normal clean city road both front tires will have very same grip.
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your tires dont really wear that much on the snow though do they?

On a normal clean city road both front tires will have very same grip.
How many sets of tires have you owned?
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How many sets of tires have you owned?
On my tj, this is my first set, it was new 2k miles ago before i messed up the toe in when installing my lift. For 5k they wore perfectly, they were even all across and after i messed up my toe in they wore very fast in less than 2k miles.

The last time i checked, the tie rod primarily moves the drivers side tire outwards and inwards.

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The last time i checked, the tie rod primarily moves the drivers side tire outwards and inwards.

Set the crack pipe down. Then check again.
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The last time i checked, the tie rod primarily moves the drivers side tire outwards and inwards.
The tie-rod just changes the distanct between the tires; it does not move one tire move than the other - it's a solid link between the two.
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The tie-rod just changes the distanct between the tires; it does not move one tire move than the other - it's a solid link between the two.
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It seems to me that the tire that is pointing straight would obviously have the better grip on the road, but I may be crazy.
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It seems to me that the tire that is pointing straight would obviously have the better grip on the road, but I may be crazy.
so what you're saying is up by my picture with the toe out, the truck will go in the "blue" direction and not in the red?


both tires will have the same grip when you're driving on a road that is the same all across.

Unless one of the 2 front tires is made out of different material that has less grip and the camber is same, they will both have the same grip. One tire will want to go one way, other one will want to go the other way so they will split the grip and go in the middle direction so you will have to steer a bit to even it out.
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Set the crack pipe down. Then check again.
I just did and i'm sticking to what i said.

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The tie-rod just changes the distanct between the tires; it does not move one tire move than the other - it's a solid link between the two.

The tie rod is connected to the drag link not the passenger tire, there fore your statement about it being a solid link between the 2 is invalid.

When you turn it let say outwards, it only moves the drivers tire, it does nothing to the passenger tire as that one is directly connected to the drag link and then to the steering box. Now we go to the argument above, one tire is turned more than the other so you will have to steer a bit to make up for that difference. That is the reason why your steering wheel is crooked if you get an alignment with out rotating the sleeve on the drag link.

I knew you would all be against me on that one and thats why i took few pictures.


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How well would you like me to dig into your steering design? And how well would you like to me to point out specifics about how they work? And how well would you like me to point out the problem areas in your front suspension?
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That is the stock tj suspension, the only thing i've done to it is add the tbar drop bracket to center my axle. I know thats bad as that causes bump steer but i can live with it. Now what am i missing?
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That is the stock tj suspension, the only thing i've done to it is add the tbar drop bracket to center my axle. I know thats bad as that causes bump steer but i can live with it. Now what am i missing?
Quite a bit of stuff that makes your lift function without worry. The stock track bar isn't designed to work inside the parameters you are putting it through. Both ends, (read frame end and axle end) are both dangerous at best. It looks to me like you have a longer set of shocks, taller coils, and stock brake lines. You can guess where I would go with that one. I can go on but will get back to the proper design of your steering setup.


While you are partially right that the tie rod end will only move 1 tire you are incorrect in thinking that is the proper way to align your junk. There are 4 major factors in a proper designed steering setup.

1.)Track bar.... read above.

2.) Drag link. The drag link is the other portion of your steering that operates the other side opposite the tie rod.

3.) Tie rod. As you put it... only moves one side.

4.) Steering box. Read below.


When you factor in all 4 there is more to an alignment than just shifting one tire to make it straight with the other. Your steering box and pitman arm should be centered. That means the stroke each way is equal so you get equal distance when you turn from lock to lock on the steering wheel. The drag link should then be adjusted so the tire is facing perfectly forward and the tie rod should be adjusted to match the same.

Ps... I'ma guess you have procomp arms or terajunk? What's the purpose of putting a grease fitting down where it will be completely destroyed once you decide to go off road? Adding the dropped track bar bracket to your axle DOES NOT center your axle. Get out a tape measure and figure that out.

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