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Old 11-29-2012, 08:51 AM   #1
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Technical help for a new Jeep owner

Hey folks, please be patient with me...as I have a few things I need help/advice on.

I purchased a 04 Rubicon about 2 months ago. Stats: 68000 miles, Automatic trans, with a few modifications from a previous owner. I know it has a body lift installed, possibly a dreaded 3" one...since I can see a little over 3" of the white tub (body) in the rear tire area above the frame rail. In addition to the body lift, it has procomp shocks and what appears to be aftermarket springs (grey in color). Also included is a dual steering stabilizer. All of this is currently running on 33" Duratracs.

Since I purchased this from a car lot and not a private seller, I have no clue what exactly it has suspension-wise. The one thing I know is that I want to remove the BIG body lift and install one much smaller. I had my local 4Wheel Parts location quote me a labor only price for removing the current body lift and installing a smaller one...their response was $600 "if you have everything needed"?!?!

My first questions are: How can I tell if anything else was changed to make the current body lift work that I would have to replace in order to put a smaller one on? And secondly, is $600 a fair price or is this something I could accomplish myself with minimal mechanical knowledge?

I'll save my other issue...regarding mpg and power...for another post. I love this Jeep, but not knowing what all has been done to it scares me a little. Fear of the unknown....

Thanks for any help you can provide

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:57 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum. Sorry I dont have experance with body lifts but I am sure someone will be here shortly to help you.

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:59 AM   #3
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Where do you live? Also, can you post pics of the body lift in the front and rear, and pics of your tcase and also where your radiator is mounted? For a body lift of that size they had to do a lot of silly stuff and I have had your same issue. The more pics you take of your setup the better we can help. We can also point out stuff you missed.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:08 AM   #4
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I live in Douglasville Georgia...a little west of Atlanta. I'll take some pics this evening and set up a picture sharing account so I can post them.
I can see the body lift spacers on the rear and the sides really clearly, but where are they located in the front? The Jeep came with a winch installed on it...would this be in the way of me seeing the front spacers?
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:11 AM   #5
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Also, does anyone know if I take pics with my iPhone, will it automatically resize them so I can post them directly here?
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:20 AM   #6
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Also, does anyone know if I take pics with my iPhone, will it automatically resize them so I can post them directly here?
x2 _ I have been trying to figure this out for months.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:23 AM   #7
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:37 AM   #8
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I live in Douglasville Georgia...a little west of Atlanta. I'll take some pics this evening and set up a picture sharing account so I can post them.
I can see the body lift spacers on the rear and the sides really clearly, but where are they located in the front? The Jeep came with a winch installed on it...would this be in the way of me seeing the front spacers?
Here is a diagram of the body mount locations. There are 11 total. Three along both sides, 2 on each side in the back/rear shock area, and 1 in the front
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:48 AM   #9
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Thanks for the diagram! If I measure the ones in the far rear, above the bumper, would that tell me the size of the current lift? They're huge...tall.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:55 AM   #10
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Yeah if you measure one of those rear spacers, it'll tell how much of a body lift it is..
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:32 PM   #11
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Best route is buy a 1.25" JKS bodylift that has all the necessary hardware/mounts/T-shifter brackets included. You may or may not have to shorten back the fuel filler hose.Very easy, work only on one side at a time. Add an MML while you are at it and avoid messing with the T-shifter bracket and radiator fan shroud issue, along with helping drive line angles.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:37 PM   #12
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how tall are the stuck body mounts?
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:15 PM   #13
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#1 Welcome!
#2 That's a very nice rig!
#3 Just remove the body lift and see if that will get you down to where you want to be as far as lift height. This is something you could do yourself. I'm sure you can down load some generic BL installation instructions for a TJ to get you started.
#4 Looking at the picture, looks like the PO installed a drop down spacers on the transfer case skid plate - to save from a SYE installation. You may have to remove them after you remove the BL? Not completely sure?

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Old 11-30-2012, 08:09 AM   #14
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I'm assuming the zinc plated bracket pictured on the t-case was installed to accommodate the nasty 3" body lift and will have to be removed if I go down to a 1.25" lift?

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Also, can someone tell from the picture below if that's an aftermarket bracket on the fan shroud that was used to lower it & will also need to be removed?

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Before you dive into anything:

- What are your intentions for usage of the vehicle?
- Plan on doing any off roading and what type i.e. trails, rocks, mud, plan on disconnecting sway bars etc.

Don't just jump into pulling off the BL. What size tires are those? Removing or reducing the BL and the tires may rub/hit. Plan out what you need to do.

From one of the pictures, above it does look like a 3". You need to figure out what the lift size is, then determine what size lift and BL combo you need to allow those tires to work for the type of driving you are going to do.

A lot of people don't like a large BL. The problem can be that the trans and TC may not shift. It has a TC bracket and if everything works, leave it until you know exactly what you want to do if anything. Others just don't like the way it looks. Again, it's yours and if it works, you may want to leave it.
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Hard to see from the pic but it appears to be. If there is any bracket between the radiator and tub then its aftermarket.
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Before you dive into anything:

- What are your intentions for usage of the vehicle?
- Plan on doing any off roading and what type i.e. trails, rocks, mud, plan on disconnecting sway bars etc.

Don't just jump into pulling off the BL. What size tires are those? Removing or reducing the BL and the tires may rub/hit. Plan out what you need to do.

From one of the pictures, above it does look like a 3". You need to figure out what the lift size is, then determine what size lift and BL combo you need to allow those tires to work for the type of driving you are going to do.

A lot of people don't like a large BL. The problem can be that the trans and TC may not shift. It has a TC bracket and if everything works, leave it until you know exactly what you want to do if anything. Others just don't like the way it looks. Again, it's yours and if it works, you may want to leave it.
I have no intentions of ever rock crawling, it'll only see light trails and the occasional mud. The tires are currently 33" and I believe it already has some type of lift installed by a PO (assuming because it has procomp shocks and non-oem looking springs) in addition to the BL. The PO also installed JKS disconnects....so I'm kinda unsure what all has been done to the Jeep. Any help or guidance on things to visually look for to help determine what size suspension lift is currently installed would be greatly appreciated.

I measured the current BL and it is indeed a 3". Everything mechanically works fine now, I just can't stand the way the 3" BL looks at the rear. That's honestly my only reason for wanting to change it out. It may sound crazy, but the current 33" tires almost seem too small for the current lift combo.
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I have no intentions of ever rock crawling, it'll only see light trails and the occasional mud. The tires are currently 33" and I believe it already has some type of lift installed by a PO (assuming because it has procomp shocks and non-oem looking springs) in addition to the BL. The PO also installed JKS disconnects....so I'm kinda unsure what all has been done to the Jeep. Any help or guidance on things to visually look for to help determine what size suspension lift is currently installed would be greatly appreciated.

I measured the current BL and it is indeed a 3". Everything mechanically works fine now, I just can't stand the way the 3" BL looks at the rear. That's honestly my only reason for wanting to change it out. It may sound crazy, but the current 33" tires almost seem too small for the current lift combo.
Post more pics. I would order a 1" or even 1.25" BL and switch them out. If the po installed a MML then you can put all the linkages and fan shroud back to stock. Or put ine on yourself. It would be easy to switch out on your own with a jack and a few sockets. 600 is way to much. But like said before you don't want to take out lift and have clearance problems.

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