Throw out bearing shot??? - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Tech Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 05-04-2007, 10:16 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Throw out bearing shot???

I have a 2004 Wrangler X 6cyl with Manual trans. The Jeep only has 17,950 miles on it.

I've been hearing a wurring sound when the clutch pedal is out. When I push the clutch in, the noise stops. Tonight I noticed the noise was slightly louder, like a wurring noise with some chatter to it. I also hear it a little when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear or when I'm backing up in reverse.

I must mention that my dad was an idiot last weekend and he started shifting the gears into 4wd WITHOUT using the clutch when the Jeep was NOT running. I caught him and it was kind of stuck in gear, so I pushed the clutch in and shifted it back into 2wd. I haven't noticed anything wrong and I don't know if that caused damage, but this has got me worried now.

I know that the throw out bearing is a definite possibility, but I'm not sure a throw out bearing should go bad with so few miles? I am not much of a mechanic other than changing oil and other fluids, batteries, etc. so changing it might not be a great idea. How much would this cost at a garage?

What else might need to be fixed, adjusted, replaced???

Thanks for all the info you can provide!

lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-04-2007, 10:27 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
JCS05Rubi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: central md
Posts: 2,748
I *THINK* I have the same noise as you in my jeep. 05 Rubicon, 6 spd. When going forward up a hill, or reverse up a hill, no gas, and you push the clutch in, you get a loud chatter. Dont know about any other time, as my MTR tires are too loud to tell after 10mph Ive had mine in to the dealer 4 times for it and a few other things, they said its just wear and tear and not to worry about it untill the clutch goes (which could be 1 mile or 100,000 miles). My jeep has 23k on it, trans was replaced at 19,000 (which seems to be the trend with these 6spds..).

Take it to the dealer for a trans noise if you want just to have it documented, but I wouldnt expect the dealer to fix anything for a noise under warranty unless its broken.

Your dad shouldnt have messed anything up if the jeep wasnt running. Did it get stuck between gears in the transmission, or the xfer case? TJ xfer cases are supposed to be shifted at 1-3mph, not really stopped, because the gears arent always 100% lined up. Its no biggy, just push the clutch in so the truck rolls a foot or so and then move the xfer case lever. Only damage I can think of would be the synchros, but I doubt he hurt anything..

Im sure your pops would know what will break a Jeep anyway, he is infact older than you

EDIT: FYI, the Clutch, Throw out bearing, and pressure plate, are wear and tear items, and NOT covered under warranty, like brake pads etc.

__________________
Dad's Blog! http://justkeepliving.blog.com/
T-Shirts for Dad, based on his "Just Keep Living" philosophy. http://www.cafepress.com/justkeepliving


1997 Wrangler Sport - 5 spd. Retired
2005 Wrangler Rubicon - 6spd|KC 55watt fogs, IPF H4s with fatboys,Uniden CB radio/Teraflex mount
http://www.4x4s-pod.com/
JCS05Rubi is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-04-2007, 10:47 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
My jeep has 23k on it, trans was replaced at 19,000 (which seems to be the trend with these 6spds..).

Your dad shouldnt have messed anything up if the jeep wasnt running. Did it get stuck between gears in the transmission, or the xfer case?

EDIT: FYI, the Clutch, Throw out bearing, and pressure plate, are wear and tear items, and NOT covered under warranty, like brake pads etc.
I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN.

What do you mean by the gears getting stuck in the transmission or the xfer case? The Jeep was parked and in neutral. He shifted it into 4wd (on the xfer case?) without pushing the clutch in. Then, the (xfer case) shifter was "stuck" in 4wd. I caught him at that point and pushed the clutch in to shift it back into 2wd (on the xfer case?).

Unfortunately, my Jeep has no warranty because it is just over 3 yrs old.
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-04-2007, 11:07 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
I read this from another thread posted a couple months ago.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Jeepn View Post
welcome,

You have the nv3550 or 3500 can't recall which.. in cold weather it is tough to shift until it warms up. However, it should not be making grinding sounds. Also you may hear what sounds like marbles until the clutch pedlle is pressed.. that is normal too. But certainly have it all checked out and again welcome.
How "normal" is the marble noise? At what point is it something to worry about?
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 09:50 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
JCS05Rubi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: central md
Posts: 2,748
If the jeep was off, you should be good to go, especially if he was just messing with the xfer case. Jeep transfer cases dont need to have the clutch to move the lever Getting "stuck" in gear is just what happened when you attempt to change gears in the transfer case while not moving sometimes. Like I said before, the gears arent always 100% lined up, and sometimes it gets stuck in a position untill you move the Jeep 1/2 foot or so. No biggy I wouldnt worry about the noise untill something breaks, but thats just me. I just dont see the point in buying a new clutch/throwout bearing etc. just for a noise
__________________
Dad's Blog! http://justkeepliving.blog.com/
T-Shirts for Dad, based on his "Just Keep Living" philosophy. http://www.cafepress.com/justkeepliving


1997 Wrangler Sport - 5 spd. Retired
2005 Wrangler Rubicon - 6spd|KC 55watt fogs, IPF H4s with fatboys,Uniden CB radio/Teraflex mount
http://www.4x4s-pod.com/
JCS05Rubi is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 10:35 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,286
Send a message via AIM to Triple88a Send a message via MSN to Triple88a Send a message via Yahoo to Triple88a Send a message via Skype™ to Triple88a
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN
Same here same problem.. i hear it mainly when shutting off the engine.. if i shut it off while holding the clutch down it shuts off so quiet that you can hear a pin drop on the floor. No known problem with the 5 speeds.. thats messed up they replace the tranys at 20k miles and 20 after you need a new one? I've seen that discussed before and 19-20k miles seems preatty dead on.


Rubi you know what i hate the most? When the first gear teeth align so perfectly so you cant shift into it.. before i had to drop the clutch and rev it up and then shift but now i've discovered shuv it in 2nd and back in first again...
Triple88a is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 10:40 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
If the jeep was off, you should be good to go, especially if he was just messing with the xfer case. Jeep transfer cases dont need to have the clutch to move the lever Getting "stuck" in gear is just what happened when you attempt to change gears in the transfer case while not moving sometimes. Like I said before, the gears arent always 100% lined up, and sometimes it gets stuck in a position untill you move the Jeep 1/2 foot or so. No biggy I wouldnt worry about the noise untill something breaks, but thats just me. I just dont see the point in buying a new clutch/throwout bearing etc. just for a noise
Is the noise somewhat "normal"? It seems like it is, but it's kind of annoying. The only thing that worries me is that it seems like it's gotten noisier. If I let it go until it breaks, will it cause more damage? Could it be something other than the throw out bearing? Last question...Is there a way to adjust the throwout bearing (If that is what is making the noise)?
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 11:34 AM   #8
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
That you can hear a whirring sound with your foot off the clutch is perfectly normal on a Wrangler. All that's happening is with your foot off the clutch, everything inside the transmission is spinning around. Since the Wrangler has zero soundproofing other than the skinny carpeting and none under the console, it can be heard inside. No worries.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 11:36 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
That you can hear a whirring sound with your foot off the clutch is perfectly normal on a Wrangler. All that's happening is with your foot off the clutch, everything inside the transmission is spinning around. Since the Wrangler has zero soundproofing other than the skinny carpeting and none under the console, it can be heard inside. No worries.
What about the little bit of chatter? (Similar to the marbles sound I've seen others mention on here)
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 11:40 AM   #10
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
What about the little bit of chatter? (Similar to the marbles sound I've seen others mention on here)
Sound is hard to quantify and it's hard to know exactly what you're hearing. However, trust me, just about all Wrangler owners worry about the perfectly normal but often angst-causing sounds of the transmission when in neutral and the clutch is out. Certainly mine makes sounds I don't like when in neutral and the clutch out but with 169,000 miles on it so far, it's hanging together just fine.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 02:00 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Sound is hard to quantify and it's hard to know exactly what you're hearing. However, trust me, just about all Wrangler owners worry about the perfectly normal but often angst-causing sounds of the transmission when in neutral and the clutch is out. Certainly mine makes sounds I don't like when in neutral and the clutch out but with 169,000 miles on it so far, it's hanging together just fine.
I completely understand noise when a vehicle has 100,000+ miles on it, but it's hard to justify with a vehicle that doesn't even have 20,000 miles.
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 04:05 PM   #12
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
I completely understand noise when a vehicle has 100,000+ miles on it, but it's hard to justify with a vehicle that doesn't even have 20,000 miles.
Mine did it when I took it home brand new from the dealer back in March of 1996 when it had 46 miles on it. Once again, it's due to the lack of soundproofing. Wranglers are not cars where the engineers worried about making them ride quietly Look around to see how much soundproofing is between the transmission and where you sit. You won't find anything besides that thin piece of carpeting.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 08:03 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
upinar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: miami, Florida
Posts: 489
that noise is normal. just got a brand new clutch and still does makes that noise.
__________________
boosted inline 6 50. trim turbo
40" super swamper boggers
high pinion d44 front trussed
ford 8.8 rear axle conversion
se 9500 milemarker winch
locked front and rear
rough country steering stabilizers
clayton long arm
3inch body lift
2 coil spacer lift
eagle alloys 15's
on-board air system
kc daylighters 100w long range
rocker guards
rhino liner
upinar is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 09:54 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,286
Send a message via AIM to Triple88a Send a message via MSN to Triple88a Send a message via Yahoo to Triple88a Send a message via Skype™ to Triple88a
i gues that makes us feel better then
Triple88a is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-05-2007, 11:28 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
binaryking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Elverson
Posts: 1,249
Send a message via Yahoo to binaryking
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
I have a 2004 Wrangler X 6cyl with Manual trans. The Jeep only has 17,950 miles on it.

I've been hearing a wurring sound when the clutch pedal is out. When I push the clutch in, the noise stops. Tonight I noticed the noise was slightly louder, like a wurring noise with some chatter to it. I also hear it a little when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear or when I'm backing up in reverse.

I must mention that my dad was an idiot last weekend and he started shifting the gears into 4wd WITHOUT using the clutch when the Jeep was NOT running. I caught him and it was kind of stuck in gear, so I pushed the clutch in and shifted it back into 2wd. I haven't noticed anything wrong and I don't know if that caused damage, but this has got me worried now.

I know that the throw out bearing is a definite possibility, but I'm not sure a throw out bearing should go bad with so few miles? I am not much of a mechanic other than changing oil and other fluids, batteries, etc. so changing it might not be a great idea. How much would this cost at a garage?

What else might need to be fixed, adjusted, replaced???

Thanks for all the info you can provide!


My 2000 has been making this noise since it was about a month old. I started to hear it more while I was in a drive thru waiting in neutral. It's perfectly normal. 80K miles later and it's still the same clutch and tranny making the same noise. It's all good.
__________________
Victory shall be mine!!!

2000 TJ Sport 4.0L
2002 WJ Sport 4.7L

Buncha junk I've spent hard earned money on.


Sorry I couldn't resist. It's the third grader in me coming out

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...chris/logo.jpg
binaryking is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 09:55 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
i gues that makes us feel better then
.
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 12:41 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
Mike001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you.....
Posts: 678
The chatter ya'll are talking about marbles sound slike the noise any vehicle with a stick makes when you bog the engine down i.e. drive in the wrong gear as far a t-out bearings go I've never heard one whir when it was bad they normallly sound like a cage full of angry canaries they chirp. If your tranny wasn't in gear when your dad was playing with it it shouldn't in any way affect the tranny.
__________________
"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!"
Mike001 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 01:34 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike001 View Post
The chatter ya'll are talking about marbles sound slike the noise any vehicle with a stick makes when you bog the engine down i.e. drive in the wrong gear as far a t-out bearings go I've never heard one whir when it was bad they normallly sound like a cage full of angry canaries they chirp. If your tranny wasn't in gear when your dad was playing with it it shouldn't in any way affect the tranny.
The "wurring" sound is probably just the throw out bearing spinning when the clutch is out. The "chatter" or "marbles" sometimes happens even when it is sitting with the clutch out, but it usual does it when in reverse or when shifting between 1st and 2nd gear.
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 01:36 PM   #19
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
The "wurring" sound is probably just the throw out bearing spinning when the clutch is out.
The throwout bearing only spins when the clutch pedal is depressed, it doesn't spin when the clutch pedal is up. It rotates from being mounted on the shaft but it's bearings aren't moving and it's not rotating against itself when the clutch is engaged (clutch pedal up).
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 01:46 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
The throwout bearing only spins when the clutch pedal is depressed, it doesn't spin when the clutch pedal is up. It rotates from being mounted on the shaft but it's bearings aren't moving and it's not rotating against itself when the clutch is engaged (clutch pedal up).
ok, my mistake...so what exactly is the wurring sound?
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 02:11 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Oh, Are you saying that with the clutch pedal out and the clutch engaged, the throwout bearing is not moving while everything else is? Is that what causes the "wurring" sound?

I previously had a chevy s-10 and it had a similar sound, but not nearly as loud.
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 02:54 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Mike001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you.....
Posts: 678
THe gears spinning like he said earlier there ain't no sound insulation. My Mustang did it after I put a short throw shifter on and my jeep does it now and so does my trans am
__________________
"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!"
Mike001 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 03:00 PM   #23
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
Mods, please delete this extra post.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 03:02 PM   #24
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,812
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
Oh, Are you saying that with the clutch pedal out and the clutch engaged, the throwout bearing is not moving while everything else is? Is that what causes the "wurring" sound?
Yep, and see post #8, above.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 08:38 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 181
Thanks for your input & patience with a newb!

I've got the "What is that sound the fridge is making?", "Why is my vehicle making this sound?", "The computer should not be making that sound" DISEASE!!!

I'll try to ignore my sense of hearing with things like this and I'll just turn the radio on and drive...lol
lap49X is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-06-2007, 08:54 PM   #26
I got nothin'

WF Lifetime Member
 
jeeperman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,896
Quote:
Originally Posted by lap49X View Post
I'm glad mine is just a 5-speed manual. Should there be any problem with the trans? I only hear the noise when the clutch is OUT, the noise is gone when I push the clutch IN.

What do you mean by the gears getting stuck in the transmission or the xfer case? The Jeep was parked and in neutral. He shifted it into 4wd (on the xfer case?) without pushing the clutch in. Then, the (xfer case) shifter was "stuck" in 4wd. I caught him at that point and pushed the clutch in to shift it back into 2wd (on the xfer case?).

Unfortunately, my Jeep has no warranty because it is just over 3 yrs old.

The 3550 is a loud transmission when in neutral with the clutch out. Unless you hear metal on metal grinding noises (you will know if/when you hear them) I wouldn't worry too much about it. They are just a notoriously noisy trans. Whatchagonnado?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout View Post
I like "prick".

Go ahead...quote me on that.
"Hold my beer while I kiss your girlfriend... you have to be good for something"

--Aaron Pritchett

If you have to ask what it is or what it does, you don't need it, and you will need help to install it!
jeeperman is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-04-2014, 05:16 PM   #27
Newb
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2
I have a 2007 jeep wrangler 6 speed manual transmission. While I was driving clutch went to floor and stopped working. We changed slave cylinder started priming clutch and heard a loud pop. Took back apart and the throw - out lever is up instead of straight. Are we not doing something right is something else wrong? Need help
cntrygirl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-04-2014, 05:19 PM   #28
Jeeper
 
Majnoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Springfield Missouri
Posts: 3,144
Quote:
Originally Posted by cntrygirl View Post
I have a 2007 jeep wrangler 6 speed manual transmission. While I was driving clutch went to floor and stopped working. We changed slave cylinder started priming clutch and heard a loud pop. Took back apart and the throw - out lever is up instead of straight. Are we not doing something right is something else wrong? Need help
Sounds like the release spring (which releases nothing) came off. It's this guy that holds the fork on the pivot ball on the side opposite the slave cylinder.

That's assuming 2007 are same way. This is tj forum just noticed you have a 2007.
Majnoon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-04-2014, 08:19 PM   #29
Newb
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2
Thanks we will see if that's it

cntrygirl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
poor poor Joe, he was shot at... tiny terror Off-Topic 4 10-01-2008 03:48 PM
pinion bearing puller upinar TJ Tech Forum 2 06-10-2007 11:33 PM
throw out bearing help rebelBullDawg325 YJ General Discussion Forum 4 05-19-2007 08:53 PM
Throw Out Bearing Problem? RomanOneNC TJ Tech Forum 1 09-25-2006 08:44 PM
Throw out bearing jj33002 YJ Tech Forum 7 02-21-2006 10:18 PM



» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:43 AM.



Jeep, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC