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Old 04-01-2008, 03:39 PM   #1
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Tire Rubbing In The Front Fender

hello,

today I noticed that both tires rub a bit in the front fender in full flex and during full left and right lock.

i think i could solve the problem by installing some longer front CAs and perhaps an adj.track bar. with the front axle 1/2" more in the front the rubbing should be gone.
but iīm searching for a cheap solution.
could i install non-adjustable CAs for 3"-4" lift instead of more expensive adjustable CAs?

which one do you recommend?
or pehaps some cheap adj. CAs...?

i forgot to say that i have to order at 4wd.com. other smaller jeep-stores donīt ship to germany.

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here are some pics where you can see where it rubs.






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Old 04-01-2008, 05:14 PM   #2
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If you are looking for a cheap solution then adjust your steering stops so you don't turn as far.

If you want to do it right then buy an adjustable track bar and 4 adjustable control arms.

If you want to be excessive just get some full width axles. Tell everyone you only purchased 10k worth of axles to keep them from rubbing the fenders.

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longer bump stops.. steering stops. If you get longer CA you will still rub the frame..

Nico, I think your making excuses to get a long arm. whis is ok by me.
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a long arm isnīt street legal here in germany.

i donīt really want to adjust the steering stops. the normal TJs turning circle isnīt the best and i donīt want to make it worse.
other axles are too expensive for me.

which adj. TB and CAs are affordable and have a good quality?

how are these ones?
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=8754
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=8684
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=13736

or these?
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchan...gory_Code=ARMS
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchan...gory_Code=ARMS
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchan..._Code=SUS_TRAC

rusty also builts fixed CAs in the right length you want for only 130$ a pair.
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what's the offset on those wheels? won't help in fenders, but if they're close to stock, that needs to change.
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i think you should adjsut the stops, the jeeps turning radius is amazing, it can turn a circle at least 5 feet less in radius then my dads van and my moms ford taurus,
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i already have a washer at the steering stops from my old wheels with a very bad backspacing.

i donīt know the backspacing of the wheels.

the stock 7x15 wheels have an offset of -31.75 mm.
my new wheels have an offset of + 28 mm.
the new ones stick out nearly 60 mm (2 1/3") more than the old ones.

the tires only rub at the frame at full flex with full lock.
perhaps ths problem is gone after installing the new 1" BS extensions. i will try it out today.

but i donīt think that problem with the rubbing tires in the rear of the fender will be gone. i think i have to install some new CAs and a new TB in the front.

and for that i need to know which ones are affordable and still good...

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i added another 2 millimeters washer on each side.
now the tire doesnīt rub at the frame in the rer and at the sway bar in the front while full flex and full lock.

but at the rear it still rubs:






i think i need to put the front axle about 1" more to the front.
can i do this only with UCAs? or do i also need LCAs?
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:38 AM   #9
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Smaller tires will solve the problem too...(not so cheap).

Nico, you really neat to get rid of those stocker lower CA's anyway... Get something "beefy". They are so vulnerable to abuse by rocks. While you're at it do the uppers.
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smaller tires? are you kidding me? i wanted 35s until i had my first wrangler in 1992...

in the future (this summer ?) i want to install adj. CAs in the front and the rear together with an SYE and a belly-up skid-plte
but at the moment iīd like to fix it in a cheaper way.

will only LCAs solve my problem? will the front axle pinion angle still be ok on that way?

or should i better wait a bit until i have enough money and install some adj. LCAs, adj., UCAs and an adj. TB at the same time?
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Looks to me like you are rubbing on your control arms as well as the inner fenderwells. I think you are going to have to go with more backspacing on your wheels (or less, whichever pushes the tires out farther, I can never keep them straight), or adjust your steering stops like Mr. Clifford said earlier in the thread.

EDIT: Just adding lower control arms won't solve your issue, if you make them longer, your pinion angle will be off, and you will get some great vibrations in the driveshaft. You would need uppers also to "properly" push your axle forward.
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Looks to me like you are rubbing on your control arms as well as the inner fenderwells. I think you are going to have to go with more backspacing on your wheels (or less, whichever pushes the tires out farther, I can never keep them straight), or adjust your steering stops like Mr. Clifford said earlier in the thread.

EDIT: Just adding lower control arms won't solve your issue, if you make them longer, your pinion angle will be off, and you will get some great vibrations in the driveshaft. You would need uppers also to "properly" push your axle forward.
ya, that last pic i can see some of the wheel, looks like you need wider wheels, w/ more backspacing. won't solve rubbing on both sides of inner fender though, tires might be too big, or not enough lift.
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after adding 2 mm washers to the steering stops the tires donīt rub at the LCAs and the frame anymore.

i just sent a fax to rustys and asked for a quote for 4 adj. front CAs and adj. front TB incl. shipping to germany.
perhaps i wait 2 weeks until i sold my standard OME shocks and the ARB compressor and order a set of 8 CAs and 2 TBs.

with connected sway bar nothing rubs on and off the road. off the road it rubs only in full flex at the last 1/4 turning of the steering wheel.


only this little problem has to be solved and then everything works fine with the 35s...
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as i said before, my 8.5x15 rims have a wheel offset of +28 mm.
they stick out 2.5" more than the stock 7x15 wheels.

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