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Old 11-11-2013, 11:14 PM   #1
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TJ Noob questions

Don't know if this should be under tech or general, but..

I've got some noob questions, as I just bought my first Jeeper last week. Already tried the search and just too much stuff out there to dig through..

Lift kits - Not going to do much wheeling, so i'm looking at combo lifts, like the Rough Country 3.75" lift -
Rough Country 3.75 in. Lift Combo Kit w/Shocks PERF647 (97-06 Wrangler TJ 6 Cyl) - Free Shipping PERF647 - Free Shipping over $75!

I've also been looking at the daystar combo lifts, but any other super common combo lifts out there under 500 bucks? I definitely need shocks with whatever I get.

My question with these combo lifts is do I still need a transfer case drop or motor mount lift with this? What's the "buffer zone" inches of lift you need to start getting into T-case drops?

Also, with this lift do I buy sway bar links for lifts up to 4".. or since it's a 1.25" body lift on top of suspension lift do I go with up to 3" ? Like does the body lift come into play here?

When it comes the time I plan on buying cheap wheels, so either Cragar or Rock, can't pass it up for under 70 bucks a wheel. Now these wheels usually are only 15x8, so what's the widest tire I can put on that? There seems to be a significant jump to go to a 15x10, but I don't want a super skinny tire on a 15x8 either.

Exhaust - The Jeep I bought is a winter project, has been eatin up by rust in spots, like the muffler is rusted through, so I was thinking of this eBay kit -

97 00 Jeep Wrangler Exhaust w Flowmaster Muffler | eBay

Now, has anyone bought this and been happy or pissed?

When I do order it, or something else, will i need any sort of spacers or anything when I do lift the Jeep. I will not get anything taller than a 4" lift, so is there another "buffer zone" inch mark where we need exhaust spacers or any other sort of modification?

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I'm not sure about some of the other things, but the sway bar links are for suspension only. Body Lifts have no effect on them. With that combo, you're only going to be lifting your suspension 2.5"

If your muffler is rusted through, then chances are your cats aren't in very good shape either. Before spending money on exhaust, I would determine what exactly needs to be replaced first. Bad cats can sometimes ruin good mufflers quickly.

And you can easily do 33x12.5 on a 15x8 rim. Keep your backspacing around 3.5 to avoid wheel assembly stress. I have the Pro Comp Series 98s. They have 3.75 backspacing and are like $57ea

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I assume you've already changed out all the fluids and made sure the consumables and high wear items are replaced and properly sorted. I would actually suggest not putting any money into the suspension until that stuff is sorted out.

Then I would suggest getting some basic items like a recovery strap and fire extinguisher. Then I'd go wheel it and figure out what the vehicle does that you don't want it to do, as well as what it doesn't do that you do want it to do. That list will give you the perfect approach to a solid build on any vehicle.

Of course, if you just want to put a lift kit on it with some big tires so it "looks" the way you want I would still suggest doing it properly.

What axle do you have on the rear? What is your gearing? What size tire are you trying to run? What is the main purpose here, looks or function?
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Research research research!
Don't buy the first kit you find and don't get the cheapest one out there. There is a reason it's cheap! Save your money and get a quality lift, so you don't have to buy the parts twice.
X2 on what UFO said and get a feel for what your Jeep can and can't do and build it from there.

Search button... search button... search button... <------great feature and you need to read through it so you won't have to ask a ton of questions that have been answered hundreds of times already. Not trying to be mean but the more knowledge you have will make it easier for you and for future upgrades to your Jeep. Read the build threads, FAQ sections, good and bad upgrades, lift kits and how a good suspension works just to get you started.

Good luck with your build and there are other great sites you need to look at as well.
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Right, a lift is last on my list to do, necessities come first. I do plan on changing the cat out too with the exhaust. It has a DANA 35 with 3.73s, but the carrier bearings are shot in the rear diff, so that's my first priority is finding a D35 or D44 with 3.73 as I have no experience with rear ends and don't even plan on trying to rebuild one


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Keep checking the classifieds here as well as other Jeep websites, craigslist and car-part would be where I would start along with placing want ads.
Daveysjeeps.com near Cleveland is another source for Jeep parts.
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Keep checking the classifieds here as well as other Jeep websites, craigslist and car-part would be where I would start along with placing want ads.
Daveysjeeps.com near Cleveland is another source for Jeep parts.
Yeah, i'm trying to get to 15 posts so I can post up a wanted on here too lol
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I assume you've already changed out all the fluids and made sure the consumables and high wear items are replaced and properly sorted.

What is the main purpose here, looks or function?
Yeah, since I can't drive it anways because of the rear end i've been doing usual high milage routine maint. Spark plugs, all fluids, timing, etc

Main pupose here is 4x4 ability in snow, other than that not much off-road wheeling, not saying it will NEVER go offroad but never much hard-core stuff. Stick to fire trails, small mud holes, etc. But it's main purpose in my life is to wheel around in the snow with to and from work, etc
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Yeah, since I can't drive it anways because of the rear end i've been doing usual high milage routine maint. Spark plugs, all fluids, timing, etc Main pupose here is 4x4 ability in snow, other than that not much off-road wheeling, not saying it will NEVER go offroad but never much hard-core stuff. Stick to fire trails, small mud holes, etc. But it's main purpose in my life is to wheel around in the snow with to and from work, etc
A 1.25" body lift, a flat tummy tuck, and some 31" tires would handle all of that. As would a 1" (higher rate) set of springs, a 1" body lift, and a flat tummy tuck. Nothing wrong with simply going with a 2" old man emu lift or something along those lines either I suppose. In my opinion a well built example of any of those three with 31" tires would be a better option than lifting it x", throwing a t-case drop to stop the vibes on, and running too big of tires for your gearing and brakes. That of course is just my opinion and you will find plenty of folks who have done the latter and will suggest you can as well.
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A 1.25" body lift, a flat tummy tuck, and some 31" tires would handle all of that. As would a 1" (higher rate) set of springs, a 1" body lift, and a flat tummy tuck. Nothing wrong with simply going with a 2" old man emu lift or something along those lines either I suppose. In my opinion a well built example of any of those three with 31" tires would be a better option than lifting it x", throwing a t-case drop to stop the vibes on, and running too big of tires for your gearing and brakes. That of course is just my opinion and you will find plenty of folks who have done the latter and will suggest you can as well.
Gotcha, that makes more sense.. I didn't wanna run anything better than 32"s on it anyways, I like the idea of just a 2" combo lift or suspension lift, i'd be just fine with just running 30s or 31s with that. The old man emu kit is out of my price range though.. Looking towards rough country or daystar for 2" lifts. Need shocks with whatever I do end up getting as i'm sure the ones on the Jeep now are worn out
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For just a bit over your stated budget, or maybe even within it, you should be able to get a set of springs (rough country for example) and then a decent set of shocks (Bilstein, OME, Etc.) and you'd have your 2" lift. Shocks will be around $300, find some springs for $200 and you're good to go.
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31's with a 2" budget boost is quite common and inexpensive. Add a 1.25" body lift to this (also inexpensive) and you can run 33's. This is what have. I also did a motor mount lift with the body lift and modified my bump stops to prevent tire interference. No vibes, no transfer case drop. Etc.... Doesn't add suspension travel but it works. If you are not going to do heavy off roading this may work for you.
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Also, just so I'm perfectly clear: The flat tummy tuck I refer to in my above post is not a low-budget affair. It is a way to gain clearance under the center without lifting the vehicle. It would require some investment in quality parts to accomplish properly.
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What ever you decide to go with, get decent shocks as they will impact your ride quality the most.
Lots better options than the rough country shocks.....(rancho 7000, bilstien 5100)

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