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Old 11-02-2007, 10:28 PM   #31
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I didn't know you could stack shit that high without it falling over.

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I didn't know you could stack shit that high without it falling over.
Damnit. How is it when I say it I always get 13 PMs about respect this and blah blah blah.

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??????? i dont get it, please explain
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Damnit. How is it when I say it I always get 13 PMs about respect this and blah blah blah.

because its late and no one noticed it yet.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:01 AM   #36
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??????? i dont get it, please explain
why go with leafs?... well for one, youd be getting rid of those short arms in the back

they are banging their heads and making "eek!" comments because 6.5" lift means your short control arms are at extreme angles. as it is right now you have very little, if any, droop left in those arms.

I think when people see your running 38" tires and running 4.5" coils with stacked spacers equaling 6.5" of lift and running all that with a d30, they question your judgment on some of the serious decision making. So just be safe and don't skimp on stuff. If you have a limited budget you still need to be cautious obviously. Would be a good idea to take your jeep to a favorite local mechanic who knows about jeeps and suspension and let them know your plans... bounce some ideas off real people, not just internet... somone who can give you helpful advice or point out any serious issues without ripping you a new one
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:24 PM   #38
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My only suggestion would be that there is more to it than just lift. Did you by chance read the JP offroad steel J build? This TJ sits on a whopping 31" tire and I'm sure is a better built rig than most on here. Personally I never want to take mine bigger than 33's and a 4". I do however plan on a plethora of SOLID mods that will allow me to go any where (and more) where you go. I do like the 8.8 you have, but build in moderation. Are you building a jeep that can handle 33's and running 38's just cause you have the clearance? If you want to be the biggest thing in the high school parking lot than go right ahead, I think you will have succeeded, but if you want to be building a sweet rig (not by the standards of those who have no idea, but the kind that shops will want to look at and say wow) you are taking the wrong approach.
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But he just plays in the mud.
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But he just plays in the mud.
Wouldn't he still be smarter to have an SYE and belly up skid if nothing else?
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buy you wouldn't believe how many times we've told him to get and SYE and he refuses. He'll learn sooner or later.
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My only suggestion would be that there is more to it than just lift. Did you by chance read the JP offroad steel J build? This TJ sits on a whopping 31" tire and I'm sure is a better built rig than most on here. Personally I never want to take mine bigger than 33's and a 4". I do however plan on a plethora of SOLID mods that will allow me to go any where (and more) where you go. I do like the 8.8 you have, but build in moderation. Are you building a jeep that can handle 33's and running 38's just cause you have the clearance? If you want to be the biggest thing in the high school parking lot than go right ahead, I think you will have succeeded, but if you want to be building a sweet rig (not by the standards of those who have no idea, but the kind that shops will want to look at and say wow) you are taking the wrong approach.
I am able to rag on my jeep every weekend with out breaking anything. I push the 38's fine and havent broken an axle shaft yet. I highly doubt you can biuld a jeep with 33's and come even close to where i preform. Thats just crazy. I dont do rock in which all you need is a grippy tire and lockers(well, i cant really say that cause i dont do rocks) You cannot bring a jeep with 33's and 4'lift where i go, You get stuck in the smallest pits out there. Im sure you can build a jeep with 33's and rock armor and a flexysusupenion and rock climb better than me, of course you can , cause thats what you do and you build ur jeep for that application. Im sure if you drive my jeep where you wheel my jeep will blow up and flip on a pebble, cause its not built for that. Have you ever been mudding before with bottomless pits? If you bring ur jeep where i offroad, u wont get anywhere. My 2wd will preform better that your jeep in the mud. Cause thats what i built it for.
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"after blowing a hub at about 45 mph, the tire flew off and the whole front end came crashing down and hit a curb and almost flipped. All control arms brackets were wrecked, whole left knuckle assembly, steering components and much more were mangled. I decided instead of reparing the stock d30, i went to a junkyard and found a cherokee with the high pinion d30." quoted by Upinar

and why do you think that happened?? running spacers and 38s on a dana 30 had nothing to do with it???? and in your case going to a high pinion 30 didn't help you at all as far as strength in the right places are concerned.

id really like to see some pics of where you wheel. Ive been in bottomless pits on tiny 33s. yes we have crazy mud in CA. look up Asuza Ca. ive seen 49s dissapear out there.

heres a classic example of a Asuza rig

Landcruiser with a big block chevy and 1 ton chevy axles and drivetrain (done the right way) on 44inch boggers.
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ok guys let him do what he wants to do
he didn't ask for opinions, he asked if he needed a sway bar or control arms, sheesh!
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ok guys let him do what he wants to do
he didn't ask for opinions, he asked if he needed a sway bar or control arms, sheesh!
holy crap, thank you. This forum is full of haters. Y are you concerned on how i build my jeep. If you dont like my set-up then dont post. I ask if i needed sway bars or a trac bar, why did this discussion end up talking about the strength of my jeep. Yes, if you want pics ill will post some of spots that ive been through that you can difinatly not be able to go through with 33's.
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upinar dont do it , just let it be and walk away
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he didn't ask for opinions, he asked if he needed a sway bar or control arms, sheesh!
You are wrong. He did ask for opinions. That is what this entire thread is about. Peoples opinions of his jeep.

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holy crap, thank you. This forum is full of haters. Y are you concerned on how i build my jeep. If you dont like my set-up then dont post. I ask if i needed sway bars or a trac bar, why did this discussion end up talking about the strength of my jeep. Yes, if you want pics ill will post some of spots that ive been through that you can difinatly not be able to go through with 33's.
Full of haters because we don't tell you what you want to hear?

Post up some spots of stuff you've been through and I will show you spots where I don't want to go. Hell, there is a thread in this section designed for this specific type of stuff. So post up. If you can't deal with the heat get your junk off the iron block.
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holy crap, thank you. This forum is full of haters. Y are you concerned on how i build my jeep. If you dont like my set-up then dont post. I ask if i needed sway bars or a trac bar, why did this discussion end up talking about the strength of my jeep. Yes, if you want pics ill will post some of spots that ive been through that you can difinatly not be able to go through with 33's.
were trying to save you from having to post up here again about a problem.
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Pretty sure that a rig, properly built on 33's, can go through just about any mud you try to get it through that a rig with 38's could make it through. Im from Michigan, thats basically all we see here. We have field mud boggs where rigs built with 50 and 60+ inch tractor tires are used. Cant say Ive seen them get stuck but theres a guy who only runs 33's and he gets through the same junk. Dont have to believe me but I know what Im talkin about on this one.
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Pretty sure that a rig, properly built on 33's, can go through just about any mud you try to get it through that a rig with 38's could make it through. Im from Michigan, thats basically all we see here. We have field mud boggs where rigs built with 50 and 60+ inch tractor tires are used. Cant say Ive seen them get stuck but theres a guy who only runs 33's and he gets through the same junk. Dont have to believe me but I know what Im talkin about on this one.
I guess that the mud pits in michigan must be different than the mudpits down here in Florida.

and please define what a properly built rig on 33's is... so that I can give my opinion on that...
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That is very possible. Mud is different everywhere you go. In the fields here we have the super thick and VERY sticky stuff that just straight up bogs you down and has no real bottom to it usually. The kind without any water sitting on top that sucks you down.

Now, a properly built rig running 33's to get through this kind of stuff would have:
33x12.5" TSL Boggers
LS1 swap (ie proper trans and other parts to mesh correctly)
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Winch(9000lbs+), just in case

That should get you through anything a rig with 38's could make it through with no trouble. The driver has a huge part in making it through stuff too. If they cant drive than of course they wont get through.
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That is very possible. Mud is different everywhere you go. In the fields here we have the super thick and VERY sticky stuff that just straight up bogs you down and has no real bottom to it usually. The kind without any water sitting on top that sucks you down.

Now, a properly built rig running 33's to get through this kind of stuff would have:
33x12.5" TSL Boggers
LS1 swap (ie proper trans and other parts to mesh correctly)
nitrous or propane
locked front and rear
4"+ lift
belly up skid and sye/cv ds
Winch(9000lbs+), just in case

That should get you through anything a rig with 38's could make it through with no trouble. The driver has a huge part in making it through stuff too. If they cant drive than of course they wont get through.
I'd also like to add a high steering kit and a great set of res. Shocks for better traction while you're maintaining your wheel spin.

Big tyres help, but only if the rig ontop of them isn't a waste of steel and plastic.
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that will not keep up with any jeep with 38 inch swampers. Way to low and tires too small. Now if you go to terrain in which suspension flexing and low center of gravity is a plus, then i would be great. Dont get me wrong but all the jeeps that i offroad have that set up but have 35 inch boggers and they are very capable, but dont keep up my jeep.
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ive gone wheelin' with upinar a couple of times. and i have to say that he is one of the best that go out there that ive seen. the average jeeps me and upinar go out with are running 4'' and 33'' (incuding me) and upinar just runs circles around us... lol with my 33'' iv never got a chance to try a bottumless pit, i always get stuck in the puddle right before one... i need to up grade.lol
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?? WOW! i see why upinar doesnt listen to ur advice now.

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