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Old 11-06-2007, 07:28 AM   #61
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?? WOW! i see why upinar doesnt listen to ur advice now.
I believe it was sarcasm.

I can understand both POV's here. Wanting to stretch the wheelbase is a great mod for nearly any Jeep and upinar I applaud you for wanting to do the mods. However, given the question, it makes those who have done it (I have not) wonder if you have really thought out the aspects of this mod.

You have driveline angles, pinion angles, shock angles, leaf selection, mount placement, rear end weight, armor, etc to consider and it doesn't appear that you have. Maybe you have and maybe you haven't. I don't know, nor does anybody else, because your comments about this have been vague, ambiguous, and pretty much secretive. I've you've planned it out, tell us, so those who know about it and have done it can help you more. That is not being a hater. That is not being a doubting Thomas. That is just form. If you are vague about your plans, you'll get vague responses. No way would I offer advice about something I know a lot about if I don't know the situation about which I'm giving input. I wouldn't want you blaming me for damage or injury because my advice didn't match what you were trying to do.

IMO, if you have to ask about whether or not you need a rear track or sway bar on a leaf setup, it hasn't been thoroughly planned or thought out. As a 19 year old, I am SURE you know that your funds are limited. So plan it out. Do it ONCE and DO IT RIGHT or you'll spend a hell of a lot more than $130 in the long run. There are a LOT of things local Jeepers will give you or sell you real cheap to help you build up your rig. They'll even help with the work if you ask em and provide food/beverages. Safety is paramount.

You want to see a quality buildup? You'll find none better than MrCliffords. He knows his stuff. Period. Is he sarcastic? Yep. Is he knowledgeable? Yep Yep. Will he put up with answering basic questions for something as advanced as a stretch? Not if you haven't planned it out. Know your basics and prove to him/us that you do and you'll find LOTS of help on here. If you don't like MrC's advice, feel free to try Pirate4x4. Just provide us a link to the thread so we can see where we went wrong.

Another decent buildup is tweba99 on JF and JU. Interesting build and went about it totally different than MrC (not a leaf setup tho).

I won't get into the debate about 33's vs 38's other than to say it is more driver than rig MOST of the time. I've gone places in 33's with my 4cyl that people with the 4.0, 6" long arm lift, and 37's have gotten stuck. My lowly 4 banger with OME and JKS lift setup (short arm btw) cakewalked the run. Is it the rig? I dunno, but I sure surprised a LOT of people. If you're going to be running mud, I sure hope you have those axles, tcase, and tranny sealed up well. Mud is probably worse on the Jeeps longterm than rocks are.

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Old 11-06-2007, 07:59 AM   #62
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?? WOW! i see why upinar doesnt listen to ur advice now.
I don't know that you have been around long enough to catch on to sarcasm. Upinar doesn't like me because I honest about his modifications and that isn't what he wants to hear.

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I believe it was sarcasm.

I can understand both POV's here. Wanting to stretch the wheelbase is a great mod for nearly any Jeep and upinar I applaud you for wanting to do the mods.
At least someone gets it.

Paul, if you read his thread again you will see that he doesn't want to modify his wheelbase.

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Old 11-06-2007, 09:47 AM   #64
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Paul, if you read his thread again you will see that he doesn't want to modify his wheelbase.
OOPS!! My mistake. Picked up on somebody mentioning that the leaves were way to do that and kinda ran with it. WAY too early in the AM.

Either way, when considering suspension changes, those kinds of things need to be considered either way. Obviously, based on the fact that I missed a basic fact, I'm not qualified to change suspensions other than to swap shocks and springs!

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Old 11-06-2007, 09:54 AM   #65
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Dont get me wrong but all the jeeps that i offroad have that set up but have 35 inch boggers and they are very capable, but dont keep up my jeep.

dang they must have nice jeeps in florida if they all have belly-up, sye/cv, and LS1 V8's.
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^^ X2! What the heck!? They all run the set up I mentioned!? Nitrous and lockers too? You Floridians are rich then!
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No nitrous, we have so many jeeps with v8's gears lockers and boggers. We go offroading with alot of the local jeep clubs to and their jeeps are pretty impressive.
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I just wanted to display some simple math I learned today cause I goeses 2 skewl!

Body lifts don't gain ground clearance (just to state the obvious)
6" is 2" taller than a 4" (still safe to run on short arms)
38" - 33" = 5
5/2 (you only gain half of tire size in clearance) = 2.5

6 + 2.5 = 8.5

4 + Belly up skid gains 3.5" ground clearance = 7.5

Now lets talk gear ratios
Upinar doesn't have one listed so lets use 4.56 (this is a good solid ratio for any large tire)

a smaller tire will give you better spin at less RPM and more power.

What's it all mean? Final summation:
1" less clearance and 20% more power and a whole lot more stability....

I'd build whatever you like best I guess.
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I just wanted to display some simple math I learned today cause I goeses 2 skewl!

Body lifts don't gain ground clearance (just to state the obvious)
6" is 2" taller than a 4" (still safe to run on short arms)
38" - 33" = 5
5/2 (you only gain half of tire size in clearance) = 2.5

6 + 2.5 = 8.5

4 + Belly up skid gains 3.5" ground clearance = 7.5

Now lets talk gear ratios
Upinar doesn't have one listed so lets use 4.56 (this is a good solid ratio for any large tire)

a smaller tire will give you better spin at less RPM and more power.

What's it all mean? Final summation:
1" less clearance and 20% more power and a whole lot more stability....

I'd build whatever you like best I guess.
I have 4.88 gear ratio. Honestly, i dont think you can build a jeep with any kind of 33's that will come close to mine IN THE MUD. Lock spinnin 38's vs. locked spinnin 33's. Thats just crazy. whatever, you have ur opinion and have my opinions. I cant tell you your opinion is wrong. I dont want to argue about this any more cause its just plain stupid argueing about who's jeep performs better. we look like 2 immature kids going back and forth.

ANYWAYS...... the 8.8 is out of the garage and under the jeep. SOA and 2 inch shackles and the back is a tiny bit taller than the front, maybe an inch. All i need is to put weld new shock mounts, make a traction bar, replace a brake line(damaged one while dissasembling), and thats is. Got the brackets this afternoon and just finished cleaning up the driveway about half an hour ago. Really canttell you guys how it is yet cause cause i have no brakes. ill let u guys know hopefully by tomarow.
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ANYWAYS...... the 8.8 is out of the garage and under the jeep. SOA and 2 inch shackles and the back is a tiny bit taller than the front, maybe an inch. All i need is to put weld new shock mounts, make a traction bar, replace a brake line(damaged one while dissasembling), and thats is. Got the brackets this afternoon and just finished cleaning up the driveway about half an hour ago. Really canttell you guys how it is yet cause cause i have no brakes. ill let u guys know hopefully by tomarow.

i do have to admit that it is pretty darn cool that you were able to put the 8.8 (and the front axle) in yourself...and you did the welding...also being able to regear your own axles...very nice...especially being as young as you are...

pics when you get a chance!!
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I don't see why you think just because you have 38's makes the jeep way better off road than a jeep with 33's. I have seen jeeps with 30's go places where jeeps with 35's have gone. I'm shure there are jeeps out there with 33's out there that can do the same thing 38's can do.

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I don't see why you think just because you have 38's makes the jeep way better off road than a jeep with 33's. I have seen jeeps with 30's go places where jeeps with 35's have gone. I'm shure there are jeeps out there with 33's out there that can do the same thing 38's can do.

btw: good luck with your leaf springs.
are we talking mud? if not, then a smaller built rig can definitely go places that a open axle rig on bigger tires can't...but in mud, huge tires does play a big part...mud cakes up on the tires and swallows them...unless you have a ton of power to keep them spinning...of course lockers are important too...and i could definitely see a rig on locked 35's keeping up with a rig on open 38's even in mud
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Body lifts don't gain ground clearance (just to state the obvious)
However they help make space for bigger rubber such as his 38s.
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However they help make space for bigger rubber such as his 38s.
Indeed. I was stating that to clarify the amount of clearance from the amount of lift.
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Dude, are u still going on with this? how old are you? I dont understand purpose of this post.
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Well, finally got to drive it today. Got new brake lines, shocks on, traction bar(although i want to make it better) , lengthened driveshaft. I definatly drives alot better, all my torque steer is gone, No creeks from bad bushings, and a lot more stable. I am definately impressed by the ride. It is smoother ride also, probly because i had shorts. The leaf springs bow the opposite way a little,so i plan on ordering 2 inch xj lift springs and taking off the 2 inch shackles. I only have the pics of the job in progress, none of the end result, i will try to go outside an snap a few pics tonight
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sway bar? track bar?.. anyhow i'm glad you got it running Very fast dont you have hw to do? lol ..i'm also a college student
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What a fun little thread... now as far as 33's vs 38's I think this guy would win vs the 38's...




Now back to the thread.......
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^ Thats the kind of rig I was trying to build up in my head when I was laying out what I ment by 'properly' built rig on 33's. Guess I forgot hydro steer too.
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As far as needing a sway bar in the back with leafs, not really, if you ordered a factory XJ with the upcountry package the rear sway bar was deleted at the factory and never installed. It does change the handling some with it and without it.
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progress pics are good
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I drove it yesturday. It came out good, it drives 100x's better than before.
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Im snapping pics as we speak cuase im using my friends camera and he just came to help finish. I got to redo exhaust system cuase i had the box under the skid and as soon as i came out, it to a right and came out on the passenger side right before the back tire, The spring hangers are locoted theyre so had to chop it up. And i got to paint all the welds and double check all bolts and welds. Ill have pics soon
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hey upinair, i wanted to apologize i didnt know the whole story about your situation i think your doing a good job with your jeep. i didnt get my first jeep till this year. i always had full size trucks with solid axles and leaf springs. i admit i spoke too soon
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What a fun little thread... now as far as 33's vs 38's I think this guy would win vs the 38's...




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apples to oranges when you compare a formula offroad tube frame chassis with 1000 HP on tap to a TJ with 38s don't cha think
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Ok, The worst thing possible happened. We left the camera on my friends moms car and she drove off, this was when we put the jeep on the trailer getting ready for hunting tomarow. I have no pics of the install!! i am so pissed cause i wanted to make a nice write-up. However, we have another camera and i will take pics soon and post tonight. Im sorry for the delay. I promise, u will get pics.
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how does adding leaf springs get rid of torque steer??? do you mean axle wrap? i thought torq steer was what front wheel drive cars get when you try and burn out and turn the wheel.
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many control armed jeeps have torque steer. Im not saying that leaf sprung vehicles dont have it, im just saying that it eliminated my torque steer.

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